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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 09:01 AM
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hey i have a 1996 honda accord lx and recently i have been having some shaking when a aply the brake and it only happens when i'm on the high way or going about 50 or higher and it shakes my steering wheel. i just changed the brakes right before c-mas or last year so i don't think it would be that and i just got new rims so its not that there not balanced because it was happing with my old tires to. i have no clue what this could be if anyone could help me thanks david.
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 09:07 AM
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Default Re: brake probelm i think (dpmac10)

Sounds like warped rotors. Also, what happens to me is if i hit the brakes hard wile going that speed, the rotors become hot and expand, which would almost feel like warped rotors.

Also, try checking your lug nuts, retorque them to 80ft-lbs.

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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 09:28 AM
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check your tie-rod ends.
and do a search
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 09:37 AM
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check the torque on the lugs as stated above, I have a friend who got new Tires on his 2001 Accord and he developed the same problem, he got tires at Sam's Club , he might as well have asked the Pope to put the tires on for him instead. He's got about as much knowledge about tires as they do at Sam's. When one of the lugs is not the same it makes it that much easier to warp the rotors. I have 245,000 miles on my accord and I'm still on the same 4 rotors! I'm guessing they are probably out of spec by now...
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 04:43 PM
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u mean u have to tighten the lugnets at a certain force????!?! i just rotated my tires and i tightened by standing up on the lug nut wrench and jumping up and down on it.......is that baD?? what should i do? help help ehelp!!!!!
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 06:14 PM
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warped rotor

torquing lug nuts to tight increases the chance for studs breaking and warping rotors but that is with the extreme heat of racing brakes

torque specs are around 85 lbs

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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 06:36 PM
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warped rotor

torquing lug nuts to tight increases the chance for studs breaking and warping rotors but that is with the extreme heat of racing brakes

torque specs are around 85 lbs
so i dont have to werry about my rotors warping?? and how do u exactly measure 85 lbs?? do u place an 85 lb object on the torque wrench? help help help!!! i dont want warped rotors!!!
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 07:30 PM
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so i dont have to werry about my rotors warping?? and how do u exactly measure 85 lbs?? do u place an 85 lb object on the torque wrench? help help help!!! i dont want warped rotors!!!
A torque wrench will give an audible click when the desired force is applied through the wrench. Set the wrench to 85ft/lbs, tighten until it clicks.
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 07:58 PM
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my helms has 80 ft-lb for 94-97 accords.
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 09:19 PM
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yep.. its 80lbs for every honda.
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 09:19 PM
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Rotors need to be turned if you only replaced the pads. If they were turned and still do this then they are warped. This can happen. The uneven-ness (if that is a word) of the rotors, or rotors that are grooved will cause a the car to shake when you apply the brakes. More pronounced the faster you go.

If you buy new rotors or turn them remember to brake softly/slowly (unless you need to brake hard for an emergency) for the first couple of weeks to allow the pads to seat into the rotors. If you need new rotors or need to turn them, then you may as well just put new pads on them too. Grooved/warped rotors plus new pads equals unevenly worn pads that won't be any good (They'll still stop, but so will metal on metal) with the resurfaced rotors. You want maximum stopping power. Easy job to do on you own, and worth doing right.

Tie rod ends will not cause these symptoms.


[Modified by snoop_bealybob, 6:20 AM 10/7/2002]


[Modified by snoop_bealybob, 6:26 AM 10/7/2002]
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 09:39 PM
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How do u know that its 80 ft. lbs of torque for every honda?? and if i stood on top of the crow bar and jumped on it, is that wayy too tight? how badly will my rotors get damaged??!!? help help help`!!!!!!!
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 09:41 PM
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How do u know that its 80 ft. lbs of torque for every honda?? and if i stood on top of the crow bar and jumped on it, is that wayy too tight? how badly will my rotors get damaged??!!? help help help`!!!!!!!
holy ****. yeah, you will warp your rotors in no time. 80 ft/lbs.
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 10:11 PM
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hey! i just went out and retightened all my lugnuts. There was no way for me to exactly determine 80 lbs but i put moderate pressure on it with my foot which i think was close to 80. Ok thanks for saving my rotors.
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Old Oct 7, 2002 | 09:42 PM
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You could buy a cheap torque wrench for maybe ten or fifteen bucks anywhere. You might be suprised what 80ftLbs is instead of just standing on it a little lighter. Your rotors (and any other work you do) will thank you.
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Old Oct 8, 2002 | 12:38 AM
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probably the rotors need to be resurfaced....

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Old Oct 8, 2002 | 05:13 AM
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You could buy a cheap torque wrench for maybe ten or fifteen bucks anywhere. You might be suprised what 80ftLbs is instead of just standing on it a little lighter. Your rotors (and any other work you do) will thank you.
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Old Oct 8, 2002 | 06:03 AM
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sorry sounds like someone did not bed the pads in correctly on the rotors giving incorrect pad material distribution across the rotor surface gining an inconsistent coefficient of friction across the rotor surface/ and or leftover pad material from the previous pad causing the same

there is no such thing as a warped rotor, i beleive this was discussed before

http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/...otors_myth.htm
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Old Oct 8, 2002 | 06:44 PM
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So you're saying that i did all that extra work of loosening my lugnuts for NO REASON!?!!??! i wont damage my rotors if i stand up on the crow bar and jump on it?? DOH~! now im confused all over again. Someone explain thank you very much.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 10:34 AM
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Default Re: brake probelm i think (Pimpin Accord)

That is an interesting article.

When I was in tech school I remember reading that you can damage (and my instuctor told us as well) from over tightening the lug nuts. I don't remember if "warped" was the word used.

Dude, go buy a toque wrench!!! Tighten down every other lug nut snug, then once they are all snug, begin to torque them to 80ft/lbs on every other one until it is done! If you exhibit symptoms then you have something to worry about. If not, then you probably didn't damage it. It's your car and your money, so why not just do it right? Right?
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 06:50 PM
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NOw, where can i get a torque wrench and how much is it and what kinds are available to me and how do i use it and yea. ??
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 06:57 PM
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Buy one at Autozone for 15 bucks. Or get a good quality one at Sears for probably twice as much. Choice is yours, How long do you plan on working on your cars? Also, torque wrenches can break easy if mishandled. If it comes with a little info packet, be sure to read it. You won't need to stand on it that's for sure!

Good luck.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 08:51 PM
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So you're saying that i did all that extra work of loosening my lugnuts for NO REASON!?!!??!
All that extra work.

Well, you better win the lotto or find a new hobby.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 09:04 PM
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u try to loosen 16 lugnuts and retighten them in 100+ degree weather with factory jack and no garage in the direct sunlight. Im sure you're the one that has it all easy in a garage and jackstands. I wouldnt be talkin like that cause you're contradicting yourself thank you very much.
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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 09:13 PM
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ok
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