hey guys i have a noobie question so please bear with me.

i wanted to use this for tuning purposes and for anything else that may come up in the future.

i was looking at two units that i heard are affordable and realiable. i dont know anything about tuning yet so these are just tools im getting ahead while i learn. so i dont know what to look for in a tuning tool for air fuel ratio meters.

first is the innovate motorsports version.
LM-2: digital air/fuel ratio meter.


second is the plx devices version.
DM-6 muliti gauge and wideband air fuel ratio sensor module combo.

can anyone give me some advice on what i should be looking for in a meter tool and possibly which one of these are good for now and future use.
pros and cons of each.

thanks. :banana:

 

either or can be hooked up to s300, you pretty much just need one you can datalog with. it makes tuning alot easier after your tuned the gauge is pretty much just for looks.

hondata recomends plx so i got a sm-afr with a gauge for cheap

 

hondata recommends the plx simply because thats what theyve used before and continue to use. However, there is now much better widebands on the market.

The Innovate MTXL is currently the fastest responding, most accurate, and least expensive. It has a combo digital/analog gauge as well as dual outputs (one wideband signal, the other simulated narrowband O2 signal)

 

i just got the ngk afx. comes with the NTK sensor instead of the awful bosch unit and i only paid $250 for it.

 

yeah mines a little out dated but i got it used 2 years ago for cheap still works great and has served me well.

i just checked that mtxl out

 

AEM I've noticed has a slow response time. My old 2005 PLX m300 is still holding up for me =P

 

NGK AFX

 

I have the Plx-m300 tuner edition... sounds ricey but seems to work great, has wideband and narrowband simulated output. I'm running Neptune and have both wireband and narrow band fed into the ecu.

Works great.

 

awful?? lol... face palm.

 

yeah. that's what i said. ask anyone who tunes about the ntk versus the bosch lsu sensors.

 

Yea, NTK is better, that doesn't make the NGK "awful", it works well enough for 99.8% of cars/tuners.....

 

life expectancy of the bosch unit is very short. see how bad they are in the cars that come with them oem.

 

How short is very short? 3-4 years...lol!

I've had my 2 Innovate LM-1s with the original sensors for well over 4 years now and they both still work. Maybe I'm just lucky though! I'd take the new Innovate motorsports MTXL wideband over any other. However, I don't actually have any fist hand experience with the new ones. Considering I'm still using my old LM-1, I don't need to upgrade to the MTXL yet.

 

Isn't it amazing how people will bash a product without hands on full experience with it??

... We've switched the shop cars from the LC-1's to MTXL's and love them. Wiring is just as easy as the LC-1, but the response time to lambda changes is even better. I have yet to see one of the Bosch sensors fail on any of the Innovate products we've used, and haven't had a single customer ask for warranty on the sensors either....

 

still using the original bosch on mine...

 

you're lucky

 

my original lasted 2 years...

 

5-6 year old lm1 here with original sensor, used in DD first 5 years now its for random use with clamp, i have mtxl now in car and it reads pretty same as old sensor.

 

i have retought my needs and im thinking of just staying with a handheld o2 wideband reader for tuning purposes. ill be tuning different cars so it wont be a complete installed version.

 

whats the life expectancy of the aem uego and the sensor it comes with ?

 

i dont have one...
with that i have been doing research on just the o2 sensors themselves as most seem to be the same (bosch or bosch like styles).

the most i have seen them list it for is 10 years or 100k miles but the caveot is that its on a perfectly tuned engine with no rich runs what so ever and non turbo.

then i have read where some people get about 3-5k miles on a crazy rich ole moded engine. that roughly about less than 2 months of service.


... so it basically depends on your tuned and components.

 

well why would you be driving a untuned car for 3 to 5k miles?

 

Mine was doing great for about 2 years and then the harness fell on the exhaust and the calibration resistor got burned up. Now it reads ALL over the place

 

Don't mean to thread jack but does anyone have any experience with the Prosport wideband kits?

 

i didnt say it was untuned. some maybe tuned to be rich. tuners around here tend to do it super rich sometimes to save their asssses.