Lowered cars and freeway grooves.
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any body have this problem?
whille driving down the freeway and your tires go over the grooves in the pavement and the carpulls to the left or vise versa?
sorry if this is in the wrong thread.
did my alignment at work set it perfect except camber.
whille driving down the freeway and your tires go over the grooves in the pavement and the carpulls to the left or vise versa?
sorry if this is in the wrong thread.
did my alignment at work set it perfect except camber.
This has happened to me in every vehicle I lower, I'm honestly not entirely sure why it does it, but I'm sure its just a normal thing for lowered vehicles. Just need to make sure you're paying a little more attention and not driving with your knee
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like wise.
only car i had that didnt do it was my ek with h22. maybe the weight?
but it sucks cause i cant really smash on the freeway.
only car i had that didnt do it was my ek with h22. maybe the weight?
but it sucks cause i cant really smash on the freeway.
Here in BC we have asphalt highways so I don't have this problem. I've noticed whenever I go down to Seattle the highways are grooved concrete. Maybe you should move to Canada?
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and i get this problem too and every other car gets it too bro its just the groves are wide enough to catch the tire's thread and pull the car i had many different tires and they all did that and i had bone stock pos chevys that did that too so its just the tires and the groves bro
and i get this problem too and every other car gets it too bro its just the groves are wide enough to catch the tire's thread and pull the car i had many different tires and they all did that and i had bone stock pos chevys that did that too so its just the tires and the groves bro
It's the tires, first time I noticed it I thought it was wind, then it stopped when the pavement turned to asphalt. My CRX does it, and it is pretty much 99% stock, stock height and stock size tires. I got new tires for my wife's Toyota Highlander and it does it too. It's stock and weighs 4300lbs.
my civic hatch does the same thing, i was thinking maybe its an uneven spot in the pavement groove causing it to pull. i know on I-75 here, they recoated the road with concrete instead of pavement and cut a small groove every inch or so, ive seen that kind of highway do it also, but i mainly notice it on older state and local highways
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You guys must have garbage roads around you! (That or poor craftsmanship...) I would assume some of the older roads are from tractor-trailers wearing ruts into the them...
What's that eh? Can't hear you from down here. What are you going on aboot? Snow tires 8 months out of the year you say? Lol...kidding...got a buddy that drives a snow plow near toronto...no way in hell i'm getting on a road in the same country as that crazy *** s.o.b. after the stories i've heard lmao
It has to do with the contact patch between the tire and the ground...any older civic basically has bicycle tires so it's going to fall into the grooves. If you lower the car you're naturally going to see an increase in camber which will focus the weight of the car on 1 part of the tire making it easier to fall into the grooves. I have 225/50's with -1* camber and the grooves don't really affect me, but my eg that was tucking tire, stock uca's with 195/50's on a 6.5" wide wheel had issues with the grooves.
The grooves are intentionally put into the concrete, not worn in. The tires following the grooves is just how it goes, so I live with it.
There is a reason why there signs that say "Grooved Pavement Ahead" it's mainly to warn motorcycles because it is really bad for them because the bike wiggles around.
There is a reason why there signs that say "Grooved Pavement Ahead" it's mainly to warn motorcycles because it is really bad for them because the bike wiggles around.
They just repaved a lot of new jersey's major highways and roads with silicone enriched pavement...so quiet
alot of times the grooves are intentionally put there for expansion/contraction purposes
alot of times the grooves are intentionally put there for expansion/contraction purposes
Wonderful Indiana started to chip and seal all the bigger "Routes & small Highways", it is horrible... This used to be an OK practice, but now they are using pebbles and a oil/tar mixture and the roads are slicker than all get out. I can't wait for winter - going to be winching people out of the ditch - that's for sure. Maybe I should put a winch on my CR-V too haha.
What's that eh? Can't hear you from down here. What are you going on aboot? Snow tires 8 months out of the year you say? Lol...kidding...got a buddy that drives a snow plow near toronto...no way in hell i'm getting on a road in the same country as that crazy *** s.o.b. after the stories i've heard lmao
) and we get like 2 days of snow a year here.
It's called tramlining. I noticed more when I went to wider tires on my civic (205 from 165). Not a noticeable change after I lowered the car ~2.75". I do notice it gets worse if your tires get worn unevenly (especially FL vs FR). I think caster is naturally trying to force the tire in one direction, while the road irregularities are doing their own thing. I have a stock 05 TL that has BAD tramlining with bad inner edge wear on one front tire. I had the alignment done, but haven't replaced the tires so caster is still pulling it to one side.
If you put new tires on and follow up with an alignment, you may find it's greatly reduced. Then again, you never know with modified cars.
If you put new tires on and follow up with an alignment, you may find it's greatly reduced. Then again, you never know with modified cars.
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It's called tramlining. I noticed more when I went to wider tires on my civic (205 from 165). Not a noticeable change after I lowered the car ~2.75". I do notice it gets worse if your tires get worn unevenly (especially FL vs FR). I think caster is naturally trying to force the tire in one direction, while the road irregularities are doing their own thing. I have a stock 05 TL that has BAD tramlining with bad inner edge wear on one front tire. I had the alignment done, but haven't replaced the tires so caster is still pulling it to one side.
If you put new tires on and follow up with an alignment, you may find it's greatly reduced. Then again, you never know with modified cars.
If you put new tires on and follow up with an alignment, you may find it's greatly reduced. Then again, you never know with modified cars.
this may be true im runninga 205 50 15. and have camber wear.
im thinking since the wheel is cambered its not making 100 contact(right?)
and i live in socal. the freeways are decent were i live except the 5 fwy going toward sand diego sucks ****!
i take it every morning too work. has mad dips and bumps.
all you hear and feel is your gut slamming down on your hips and your poor rims taking a beating. but hey it is cali (THE WEATHER COMPENSATES) for our highways..
lol, canadians always give me a good sht talking fest...only problem is you're supposed to say it in french too, didn't you just break the law? lmao...canadian bacon..hahahahaha....classic
I don't think camber is the culprit. I went from 0* at stock ride height to -2.5*F and -1.5*R when lowered and didn't notice any change in tramlining.
BTW: Your tire edges won't wear from the extra negative camber as long as you get alignments to keep the toe zero'd out. It's a combination of the two that kills the inner edge of the tire.
BTW: Your tire edges won't wear from the extra negative camber as long as you get alignments to keep the toe zero'd out. It's a combination of the two that kills the inner edge of the tire.
You running PS? This has a lot to do with noticing variations in road conditions. I.E.- not having it makes grooves more noticeable.






