Ok hey you guys so i dont know if this topic was covered, but i am sorry if it was already covered. just lock it up. So anyways, i have a 2000 honda civic d16y8 and i dont know what to do. i want to make it faster...so i have a few options. I could buy a turbo and run it on a stock engine for a while, i know they can do about 220 whp stock internals. or build my d16 up and drive around like that for a while till i have more money to turbo it, and my last thought was just to buy a b18c1 and swap it in there. What do you guys think would be my best way to go?? Let me know on your opinions and which would be able to benefit me most in the long run, cuz i do kinda plan on keeping this car.
Thanks you guys

 

What are the overall goals with this car? Future plans? An all motor Y8 should be completely out of the question...talk about a money pit. On the other hand boost is a relatively easy way to make power and be fairly quick, but with turbos come less reliability in most cases for daily drivers. If you went ahead and did a GSR swap you would have alot of room to grow from there.

 

b18c1

 

ok, so in the future i want my car to push somewhere around 400 whp. i proly wouldn't be able to produce that with a all motor or even turboed d16. So i would have to swap a engine anyways...but i wanted to do something with less power for now so i can learn, i have never built anything or turboed anything. But have done lots of reading, on this forum especially. i really do like the b18c1 because of the power advantages in the long run.

 

If your lookin for 400whp your in the wrong forum buddy lol

 

lmao^

if you are looking for easy power gains, gsr. boosting your stock engine will be easy and fairly cheap power. Nowadays a gsr swap is fairly cheap. You will have oem honda reliability and more power than a built d series.

 

Those are my future plans. not now, now i just want something quick for not to lot of money under like $2700. Do you guys happen to know where i can get a full gsr swap for under 2450$ cuz i found one japan imported with ecu, lsd tranny, engine, for that amount.

 

for what its worth, dont every budget for just your "swap" you will need a shiit ton more things like linkage, the correct motor mounts for your car, radiator fluid oil oil filter spark plugs while the motor is on the ground why not do a clutch. the list goes on . i would personally save and research how to do a gsr swap. minor bolt ons and youll be thrilled

 

thats a good point there. but you guys think that a gsr swap would be the best way to go in my shoes?? I guess ill save up some more dollars then see what i can come up with.

 

if you just want quick and under 250hp, turbo the stock y8.

if you want 400hp you have the choice of building up the y8, add turbo, and add more boost, or get the b18c1 and turbo it, and add boost these things in stock form will take 400whp all day, but you might need to add ARP head studs and aftermarket springs/retainers for insurance. both of these buils will pretty much cost you the same at the end, give or take.

 

gsr swap because it drops in without modification

 

You sir need to just decide EXACTLY what you want out of the car.

Otherwise this is just gonna be a ****in moneypit for you and you gonna hate yourself lol

Majority of us have done this and learned from it, Listen!!

 

ok well then i like the sound of the b18c1. so if i was to turbo a stock(internals) b18 then i can run 400whp on it? I like the sound of that very much. But if they will come out both the same price then its just a matter if i want a dohc or sohc...im kinda leaning more to the b18 now. And if it drops right in to the bay. i do want it to have power but not all at once, it will be to much to handle..lol

 

yes the b18c1 can handle 400whp pretty well depending on the tune, but like I said you will need to upgrade head studs and replace the oem springs/retainers to aftermarket ones. You would also need to run a good size turbo to achieve 400whp without maxing out the turbo. It makes the turbos life very short if you have a turbo that maxes out around 400-450 and your running around that range everyday beating on it. I suggest if you have the funds, the gt3076R is a great turbo to have if you want to have a reliable 400whp car.

 

just throwing another option out there inwhich im suprised no one mentioned... u could source out a b20 block w a gsr head or watever b-series head and turbo it later.

 

Oh thats good then. I like the sound of that one. ill have to look into that turbo here, but that sounds like something i wouldnt mind. And yes i have thought about the b20 vtec or ls vtec, i would love one of those. my friend has one in his em1 and its a b20 with b18c5 head. But he bought that car and engine together, so he dont know how to build one and i have no clue how to build one. That is a very good idea tho.

 

well just ask and ull recieve

 

if u scroll down on the first page of this forum there a b20 vtec build thread that might give u some ideas or knowledge

 

Turboing a stock block b20 vtec is not a good idea.

 

y not?
maybe trying to push 400+ and daily driving it wouldn't be a good idea but there are alot of guys making around 300-350ish on it and says is a blast to drive and has been good to them. I personally have 2 friends that have the same got damn b20vtec turbo set-up and yea they been driving around for about 3 years now, one makes 320 and the other is at 360 both on pump gas. I have a stock enternal lsvtec on low boost 8psi makes 300whp and its also been great to me.

 

it just depends on how u biuld it, dont go cheap w it and u should be fine

 

Dont forget, things like torque steer, braking , handling, are all effected with 3x the power of the OE engine.

I say to boost the single cam. It will walk the GSR all day. You just need to plan your build the right way. Y8's oil pump get restrictive on boost so you will need to port/shim it to make the engine last.

If down the road you plan on getting a swap, you can sell off the turbo kit. (but you wont cuz boost is like crack)

Im not against the swap, but for less or equal $$ you can have more power. Turbo'd D's can be just as reliable as any NA engine IF you tuner is talented and not some backyard dipshit with a laptop.

 

Have you ever turbo'd a stock b20?

 

no

 

All motor D series are the most pathetic thing Honda has produced. When a stock B18B outruns your built single cam you should head for the nearest pole... although I doubt you will be traveling fast enough to kill yourself. If you want a D series boost is your only option (or option worth a damn I should say). But the fact of the matter is you can buy a complete B series for pretty damn cheap. 100% drop in complete B16A2 swaps go for around $1000 which IMO is very reasonable. Also a transmission without LSD IMO is a worthless chunk of metal. I refuse to buy something that does not have LSD in it.