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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 09:28 AM
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Well after replacing almost everything I could think of, I am pretty sure the timing is off. Car gives me a hard time usually on startup. After that, it runs like a champ. I replaced the tct about a year ago and this is when it started acting up. Could this be the problem? Here are a few pics of the timing marks. I am wondering if the timing is off, how do I fix it? I have worked with timing belts but not chains. Thanks

Here it lines up on one mark




What I was told is supposed to be tdc but is off.......



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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:40 PM
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ITs an 04.
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 08:08 PM
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Pic of the car. Would like to enjoy it again. This has been going on for about a year.

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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 09:08 PM
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If the timing was off it would run like crap warm or cold, not just on startup. If it were off a tooth either way it probably would not start at all. Beings I personally dont know much about the s2k motors and the lack of quality pics I don't even want to try and tackle it.... but the marks dont look off from what I can see.
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 10:19 PM
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Sorry for the quality of the pics, will take them with my camera. I really need to figure out whats going on.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 06:17 AM
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Be sure you don't have the intermediate gear 180* out
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 06:36 AM
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The chain is color coded to make it very easy to put in time.

You have to make sure the color coded chain links line up with the dots on the top gear and crank trigger wheel.

Keep spinning the motor around until dot on the center gear is in the middle of 2 blue chain links on the top .
Take the pulley and the side case off. Align the dot on the crank trigger wheel up with the single blue chain link . You may have to spin the motor a lot. Take the spark plugs out to make it easier to turn.

These motors will run if they are off a tooth, but run like crap.

I have seen the crank sensor go bad or become loose and back itself out, make sure that's tight.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 06:59 AM
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The chain is color coded to make it very easy to put in time.

You have to make sure the color coded chain links line up with the dots on the top gear and crank trigger wheel.

Keep spinning the motor around until dot on the center gear is in the middle of 2 blue chain links on the top .
Take the pulley and the side case off. Align the dot on the crank trigger wheel up with the single blue chain link . You may have to spin the motor a lot. Take the spark plugs out to make it easier to turn.

These motors will run if they are off a tooth, but run like crap.

I have seen the crank sensor go bad or become loose and back itself out, make sure that's tight.
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Will check the sensor. Could it be bad or loose and not throw a cel?
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 12:16 PM
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Here is a video from inside the car. Sounds almost like a bad battery but its not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5euqQnWuD28&sns=em
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 03:56 PM
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Looks alot like a weak battery.
What is the battery voltage while you crank it?
Have you done a leakdown test yet?
Valves all adjusted and in spec?
Just throwing some general ideas out there... Hope you get it figured out. Thats a nice s2k you got there that you cant enjoy...
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 05:14 PM
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Grounds good? Bad Battery?? I'ma go with one of those too..
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 04:24 PM
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Grounds are all good, took off everyone one and sanded all contact points. Brand new oem battery. Compression is good. Never messed with the valves.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 05:59 PM
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At 0:17, it sounds like the battery is having a hard time cranking. Can you check voltage at the starter? You may have an excessive voltage drop from the battery to the starter. I know you said its a brand new battery, but if your losing a volt or 2 to the starter, its gonna crank slowly...

I'd still do a leakdown test just for the hell of it.
What do your spark plugs look like?
BTW- What is a TCT???
How old is the fuel???
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 06:17 PM
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If you have good compression that can you can almost rule out timing. Im assuming there is no dtcs? (check engine light).
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Tct- timing chain tensioner. Fuel is always fresh.

No cel codes. Taking it to the dealer tomorrow, tired of messing with it. They can figure it out.
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Old Sep 16, 2011 | 09:09 AM
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timing is off on chain, crank cams...
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 10:14 PM
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Took it to the dealer, they think its something with the alarm. I dont think it is, we will see. Its been there all weekend.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 11:23 PM
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Default Re: Is my timing off on my S2000? Pics inside.....

??
If it was something with the immobilizer, it wouldn't start at all...
Keep us updated... Hopefully you got a good tech working on it.
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I went to school with the master tech. Thats who I requested to work on it. Tried to get him to come to the house and fix it on the side.
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Originally Posted by SneezinCD5
I went to school with the master tech. Thats who I requested to work on it. Tried to get him to come to the house and fix it on the side.
If he's any good at what he does, he wont be making house calls. (I never would and all the CMAT's I know wouldnt either) If the timing was off, even by 1 tooth you would likely set a DTC. The video is not indicative of incorrect timing. Im with others on this, bad ground or battery. Just because it is new does not mean it is good.
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Originally Posted by DCFIVER
If he's any good at what he does, he wont be making house calls. (I never would and all the CMAT's I know wouldnt either) If the timing was off, even by 1 tooth you would likely set a DTC. The video is not indicative of incorrect timing. Im with others on this, bad ground or battery. Just because it is new does not mean it is good.
Probably throw a camshaft position fault, right?
Hope you get it figured out. Ive always liked s2ks.
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 09:10 PM
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He tested battery, starter,grounds and alt. Everything was good.
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 09:50 PM
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I wonder why it seemed like it was having a hard time cranking over...
Did he verify your camshaft to crankshaft timing was correct?
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He didnt pull the vc but looked at the pics. Said it looked good as well.
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