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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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Default 99-00 CTR headlight beam pattern vs. USDM

I'm thinking about getting some CTR headlights, but one thing that concerns me is the lack of a reflector that goes over the bulb in the CTR headlights compared to the stock housings. Does anyone know the differences in beam patterns between the two, and the purpose of the USDM reflector?
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 06:01 PM
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Well JDM headlights will have a cut-off that's meant to light up road signs on the left side of the road (like ours do on the right). That means they will be shining in the eyes of oncoming traffic here in the US.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 07:07 PM
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Well JDM headlights will have a cut-off that's meant to light up road signs on the left side of the road (like ours do on the right). That means they will be shining in the eyes of oncoming traffic here in the US.
Really? I didn't know the passenger side beam pattern lit up road signs. I know some people fit these lights in the side of the bumper that light up when you hit the turn signal. Aside from that, my main concern is the focus of the beam down the road. I'm talking about the difference between the two headlights in the attached images. How is the lack of a reflector going to affect visibility when used with a USDM H4 bulb vs. JDM H4H?
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 07:19 PM
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Whoa, I never knew there was that difference between the two. Just retrofit some HID projectors and you'll be all set
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 07:54 PM
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Well JDM headlights will have a cut-off that's meant to light up road signs on the left side of the road (like ours do on the right). That means they will be shining in the eyes of oncoming traffic here in the US.
I looked this up and you're absolutely right. Good info, thanks!

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Just retrofit some HID projectors and you'll be all set
I know you weren't serious, but that would be a total headache. I can live with H4 bulbs.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 06:14 AM
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Wasn't completely serious but check out Mini morimoto projectors. It took me 2 hours to retrofit them. No screws, bolts or epoxy. Plus the cutoff is super sharp and wide, better than tsx projectors, and it's bixenon.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 07:16 AM
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Just get some JDM H4H to go with your JDM headlights. Then you can tell all the JDM fanboys how cool you are as you blind oncoming traffic. (j/k)

Why not buy some aftermarket knockoffs that are meant for driving on the right side of the road?
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 08:51 AM
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Just put them in and go and get them focused.

You should do that anyway if you change lights no matter what they came off.
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Just put them in and go and get them focused.

You should do that anyway if you change lights no matter what they came off.
lol! That doesn't even make any sense.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 09:48 AM
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why can't you just use USDM ctr? not sticker approved?

HIDs or USDM and H4
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 10:26 AM
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I'm not trying to be JDM, and I don't want HID. My headlights were 12 years old with a broken tab. I just put CTR replicas in that look great (chrome gunmetal, not flat black), but I'm not happy with the beam pattern I saw last night. I think this is one of the areas where you get what you pay for in an OEM Honda light. I'm going to buy new headlights, but the question is how well can I see with the CTR vs. USDM headlights.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sprockets
I'm not trying to be JDM, and I don't want HID. My headlights were 12 years old with a broken tab. I just put CTR replicas in that look great (chrome gunmetal, not flat black), but I'm not happy with the beam pattern I saw last night. I think this is one of the areas where you get what you pay for in an OEM Honda light. I'm going to buy new headlights, but the question is how well can I see with the CTR vs. USDM headlights.
Yes cheap lights the beam pattern sucks.

Did you try to adjust them just in case they are off?

There should be bubble levels in each one.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 11:52 AM
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i have a friend with oem ctr headlights and he has less visibility than my 99 headlights.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 02:40 PM
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Yes cheap lights the beam pattern sucks.

Did you try to adjust them just in case they are off?

There should be bubble levels in each one.
I wasn't saying fake CTR beam patterns = OEM CTR, if that's what you mean. I just mentioned why I'm considering spending extra on the real thing. They were adjusted by a body shop, by the way.

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i have a friend with oem ctr headlights and he has less visibility than my 99 headlights.
This is the kind of information I'm looking for, thank you! Do you happen to know what bulbs were used between you two? What was it about the CTR visibility that you didn't like? I'd spend extra on the CTRs *IF* the performance was the same.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 03:29 PM
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It doesn't matter whether usdm or jdm, 96-00 lights suck! if you want a nice bright beam pattern you will need to retrofit. It's not that hard, nor that expensive.
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 05:58 PM
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It doesn't matter whether usdm or jdm, 96-00 lights suck! if you want a nice bright beam pattern you will need to retrofit. It's not that hard, nor that expensive.
Retrofit always looks half-assed. 96-00 lights suck compared to what? HID?
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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 08:43 PM
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how much are you paying for CTR lights? A retrofit will cost you $150 and a few hours of your time. How do they look half-assed to you?
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 06:10 AM
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CTR headlights are way to overpriced these days and to be honest i dont see a difference in the beam pattern from when i switched to ctr's from oem head lights
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 07:46 AM
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these are all pinions, let's get this guy some answers. Question is are the CTR's Adjustable to the point where you can get them to be as visible as the USDM headlights. If so then I don't see why you wouldn't just get em if you like them. It's your car you gotta do what you want. Maybe go on one of those TYPE-R forums for the ek9 and ask someone to shoot you a picture of the low beams in front of a white wall and the high beams as well and maybe it'll give you a little more info from the source.

I don't think anyone who has posted so far has CTR headlights. Im not saying they can't get them but no one's got them to be able to give you the info you're looking for yet. Go into the EKSquad thread and PM some people who have them on their car. Best bet.
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Originally Posted by Sprockets
Retrofit always looks half-assed. 96-00 lights suck compared to what? HID?
they suck compared to almost all other vehicles i have been in. the light output is splotchy and doesn't evenly light up the road very well. but do explain how retrofitting bi-xenon g3 or morimoto h1 projectors into an ek housing would look half-***?
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 08:23 AM
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projector retrofits on ek's make them look like they've got down syndrome.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 06:26 PM
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I don't think it looks bad at all, but even if i were to agree with you, I'd still rather have function over form.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 07:36 PM
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how much are you paying for CTR lights? A retrofit will cost you $150 and a few hours of your time. How do they look half-assed to you?
Originally Posted by D16SiHatch
they suck compared to almost all other vehicles i have been in. the light output is splotchy and doesn't evenly light up the road very well. but do explain how retrofitting bi-xenon g3 or morimoto h1 projectors into an ek housing would look half-***?
I know they're ridiculously expensive now. The stock lighting isn't perfect, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be.

I just haven't been impressed with any retrofits I've seen. If there was a housing that looked decent and was meant for those projectors, I'd consider it, but I'm cursed by being a perfectionist and don't think I'd be happy with a hacked up stock housing. Even so, post a link to some quality retrofits, if you have any. I wouldn't mind taking a look.

Originally Posted by SIRIUS VTEC
Question is are the CTR's Adjustable to the point where you can get them to be as visible as the USDM headlights. If so then I don't see why you wouldn't just get em if you like them. It's your car you gotta do what you want. Maybe go on one of those TYPE-R forums for the ek9 and ask someone to shoot you a picture of the low beams in front of a white wall and the high beams as well and maybe it'll give you a little more info from the source.

I don't think anyone who has posted so far has CTR headlights. Im not saying they can't get them but no one's got them to be able to give you the info you're looking for yet. Go into the EKSquad thread and PM some people who have them on their car. Best bet.
Thank you for the suggestion. Well, 94eg! brought up a valid point about the JDM headlights possibly having glare that *might* bother other drivers, since we drive on opposite sides of the road. This is something that's designed into the optics of the housing, and I'm not quite sure adjustment would help.

If you look at the quote from Wikipedia below, it states that SAE allows more glare than other areas of the world, not taking into consideration left vs. right hand drive. So, even though the JDM headlights might glare towards other drivers, rather than road signs, I doubt it would be that much. Glare from SUVs with HIDs blind other drivers WAY more than CTR headlights ever could.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp

There are two different beam pattern and headlamp construction standards in use in the world: The ECE standard, which is allowed or required in virtually all industrialised countries except the United States, and the SAE standard that is mandatory only in the US. Japan formerly had bespoke lighting regulations similar to the US standards, but for the left side of the road. However, Japan now adheres to the ECE standard. The differences between the SAE and ECE headlamp standards are primarily in the amount of glare permitted toward other drivers on low beam (SAE permits much more glare), the minimum amount of light required to be thrown straight down the road (SAE requires more), and the specific locations within the beam at which minimum and maximum light levels are specified.

ECE low beams are characterised by a distinct horizontal "cutoff" line at the top of the beam. Below the line is bright, and above is dark. On the side of the beam facing away from oncoming traffic (right in right-traffic countries, left in left-traffic countries), this cutoff sweeps or steps upward to direct light to road signs and pedestrians. SAE low beams may or may not have a cutoff, and if a cutoff is present, it may be of two different general types: VOL, which is conceptually similar to the ECE beam in that the cutoff is located at the top of the left side of the beam and aimed slightly below horizontal, or VOR, which has the cutoff at the top of the right side of the beam and aimed at the horizon
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 08:11 PM
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If you want to see some quality retrofits go to theretrofitsource.com and hidplanet.com. While I have no doubt you may have seen some hacked up retrofits, these sights can get you the parts and info you would need for a great looking finished product. Or at the very least you could find someone on there to do it for you. There is absolutely no comparison between a professional retrofit and any oem civic headlamps, as far as light output is concerned.
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Old Aug 18, 2011 | 08:21 PM
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Here I was bored. A link to a quality retrofit on a 99 si.
http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/show...of-pics-NO-56K
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