So before anyone says "Search the forum", i already have and couldnt find it. Im looking for a list of parts i need to take off my old lca's and also comments on the best ones i can find for around 150-200 for my 93 del sol si. If anyone has any links to a related thread plz post. Starting on round 2 of my build and first thing i need are new lower control arms. Will post pics if needed.
thanks! : D

 

Replace them with OEM units. There are no other parts. Just the LCAs. Probably why you couldn't find anything.

 

well i was looking to just go with these http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/viewP...idproduct=2434, seeing as how its about the last piece of my suspension thats not aftermarket.

 

If you just want to spend money then go ahead. None of the aftermarket LCAs surpass OEM for performance. Anything but OEM is just for the WOW factor. Stay away from Blox.

 

yeah i kno the blox's bushing crap out after like a month. I know the ratio to how much new bushings cost compared to just buying a new oem lca and not having to deal with using a saw or torch to get the F***in bushing out. I figured just go after market. Might as well. : )

 

Function7 LCA's are fantastic. If anything is going to keep up with OEM it will be them. Hence the lifetime warranty.

i am very happy to see your looking at the good parts, instead of crap!

Again, F7 is the BEST maker of aftermarket LCA's!

 

I would most def. disagree. A function7 LCA will most def. out-perform an OEM LCA. The F7 LCA is lighter. It will reduce unsprung weight thus allowing for quicker suspension response to the road.

 

Oh don't mind grumbleface. He is grumpy, well.........all the time. OP, either go OEM or F7.

 

bhalalalalal, unsprung weight, lighter, bling bling etc....

 

I've heard plenty of complaints about the bushings in aftermarket LCAs. This doesn't mean you can't go with aftermarket. Just don't be shocked if you end up with bad bushings.

 

Dubious that the difference is that dramatic if any. Do you have comparisons to back this up? Please don't say "it's just common sense".

 

Oem or f7, nothing else.

 

Yes it will out perform the oem lca for the reason that it has more of an adjustment for the sway bar for a autocrosser/track car.. Im oem for life too but the f7 has nice adjustments for someone who isnt looking for the bling factor..

 

I don't remember anyone saying anything about autocrossing their car?. Did I miss that?

 

well lets see it is common sense quit being ignorant, and yeah they put aluminum control arms on the top honda of all, the NSX, i dont think they did it for their health either. they did it becuase it reduces unsprung weight, reducing unsprung weight inproves handling and reduces inertia. Its a proven fact if you dont want to believe top engineers or just plain simple physics thats your problem. you take the 2600 lb car with 200 hp and ill take the 2000lb car with the same 200 hp, wonder whos going to win.

 

LCAs weigh 600lbs.? Let's not fabricate numbers to prove a point. Yes I know it's unsprung weight BUT for regular daily driven cars the weight is negligible. Therefore it's just eye candy.

 

never said LCA weigh that much. it was a simple physics equation you still cant get your head around. improving unsprung weight for a daily driven car is even more beneficial for street cars, public road ways are more rough the race tracks are thus the benefits of reducing weight and inertia are greater since your suspension will be doing more movement on the street making it more suitable for rough roads then your ultra heavy junk cast steel LCA's

 

Then I guess Honda has been doing it all wrong all these years.

 

a civic was designed to be cheap fuel sipper not a sports car so they just used cast steel to keep cost down.

but thats where we the enthuiast come in at, we look at how they build their sports cars like the NSX , we look at how they use aluminum on the NSX LCAs and we say, they did that for a reason and we see logic as to why they did that, then we either choose to say we do or do not want that,

just because you do not want them do not try to misconstrue facts for others. do not tell them things like simple physics are untrue in real world situations quote: "they do not surpass OEM performance"

 

Aftermarket lca's definitely look better but oem without a doubt last longer and hold up for years

 

Talk about taking details out of context. Please do not even TRY and compare a Civic to an NSX. Don't even try and compare it to a Prelude. Both of those were/are performance vehicles. The Civic is not, as you just stated. Not even in the same league. I owned a Prelude and I've owned a bunch of Civics and the work to get a Civic to handle like a stock Prelude is crazy. I can't even imagine what you would need to do to get the handling capability of an NSX. It's an Econo-bucket. Just because people are trying to make it otherwise doesn't change that fact. There is pretty much no benefit to running aftermarket LCAs and whatever "performance benefit" you think they give you is negligible to the point of not even mentioning. I've never seen or heard ANYONE saying how they felt their suspension was more responsive due to installing aftermarket LCAs. The average person will not get any real benefit from not using OEM.

 

I find it hilarious that you keep talking yourself deeper into the black ignorant hole you are in.


proof that econo box integra handles better than a prelude : http://www.itrsport.com/reviewArticl...de_vs_itr.html

 

Im done cause your ignoarnce is no longer worth my sunday.

 

This isn't the Integra forum. An ITR is hardly an econobox. Neither is the the CTR. We're talking about the Civic that everyday Joe Average drives around in. I don't know why you keep wanting to use extremes to try and prove a point. Please show me those same charts with a Civic with stock LCAs and then one with quality aftermarket LCAs then I'll start listening to you. I'm all about being educated.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/how-much-do-lcas-improve-handling-1291459/
https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/whats-purpose-aftermarket-lcas-2677104/
http://htarchive.org/showthread.php?t=2935480

 

Yes aluminum will be lighter, but it also looks cooler. The F7 LCAs definitely look nicer than OEM. Car manufacturers don't always do things just for performance, they do some things for appearance also. On an NSX, Honda better dress it up a little considering what someone pays for one. I've seen carbon fiber dash inserts or overlays on stuff like cluster bezels. Thin plastic would do the same thing. Billet distributor housings, billet VTEC solenoids, solenoid covers, all of that stuff is cosmetic and is intended as such. The OEM distributor, and VTEC solenoids have been used on very high horsepower engines and changing to billet aluminum alone won't change their functionality. How much effect do lighter LCAs have? Note that I said "how much", not "if" as it's been proven to reduce unsprung weight. It's just a question of how noticeable it would be to the average driver here. I honestly have no clue, but it would be fun to test drive two cars with stock suspension parts with urethane inserts vs aluminum replacements with an equal quality urethane bushings. This seems the most fair comparison because you couldn't blame the difference in bushings for ride/performance difference. And then we could hand the keys over to a professional driver to see if they can tell and see how much difference there would be in their track times with one set versus the other.

The nice thing about using the OEM LCAs and putting the urethane bushings in is it's cheap (like $30 vs $200) and the bushings are easy to get if you for some reason need new ones. Since the metal sleeve floats in the bushing, you don't have to clock them (clocking bushings is easy, but it makes it a little more error proof). They won't bend as easy and are cheap so you can just jack your car up by them and not worry about damaging them. It's also a difference of spending about $30 instead of about $200. Unless you're AutoX'ing it or shaving weight off for drag racing, it's not worth spending the money IMO. Even just on a cost basis, it's cheaper than getting new OEM or Hard Race bushings pressed in as those bushings are more expensive and not everyone has a press. However, most people have a hack saw, a propane torch, a utility knife and sand paper, or can pick these up for $30 at Lowes and they'll have several other uses.

About the only good reason I see for getting the aftermarket LCAs is the sway bar mounts. Not everyone can get Integra or Civic EX sedan LCAs. The mounts are probably also in a little better spot especially if you're lowered since the holes move out as the suspension is pressed up. I had to tweak my OEM end links with a prybar just a hair to get the bolts in. (ITR sway bar with ASR stainless adapters in the swaybar to use OEM GSR end links, on 93 Civic sedan lowered probably 1.5", the end links were like 1/8" out from the holes). Getting aftermarket spherical end links would have solves this. Also I had to order two new bolts from Honda because nowhere around here (including Fastenal) carried hardened metric bolts to bolt my end links to the LCAs.