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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 08:23 PM
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Default Drag suspension advice.

alright heres the deal. ive asked this same question on another forum and dont seem to be getting a straight answer. everyone has different views.

im looking to buy a suspension setup here in a week or two and need advice on what i should get. i am on somewhat of a budget so keep that in mind.
first a little about the car.
95 coupe sohc 475whp best et so far 11.01@129 1.8 60ft. on stock struts with 194k and old ebay coils

ive been looking at the blox drags that are 12kg front 18kg rear.
also looked at some ksports but the kg's on both front and rear are way less. but it has the adjustable strut. (idk what all that it adjusts)

now some people are saying you want softer in the rear. but i dont understand why. i would think you want super stiff so it doesnt squat at all and less weight transfer
and some people are saying put limiting straps on the front and have soft rears.

i dont really know how the strap setup looks or how it is used. and is it legal in some classes?
input would be great from the guys who know what there talking about. i really dont want imput if you dont have first hand exsperience with this type of setup cause then i get everyone saying something different.
thanks HT
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by boostontheD
alright heres the deal. ive asked this same question on another forum and dont seem to be getting a straight answer. everyone has different views.

im looking to buy a suspension setup here in a week or two and need advice on what i should get. i am on somewhat of a budget so keep that in mind.
first a little about the car.
95 coupe sohc 475whp best et so far 11.01@129 1.8 60ft. on stock struts with 194k and old ebay coils

ive been looking at the blox drags that are 12kg front 18kg rear.
also looked at some ksports but the kg's on both front and rear are way less. but it has the adjustable strut. (idk what all that it adjusts)

now some people are saying you want softer in the rear. but i dont understand why. i would think you want super stiff so it doesnt squat at all and less weight transfer
and some people are saying put limiting straps on the front and have soft rears.

i dont really know how the strap setup looks or how it is used. and is it legal in some classes?
input would be great from the guys who know what there talking about. i really dont want imput if you dont have first hand exsperience with this type of setup cause then i get everyone saying something different.
thanks HT
This is from my experience so I can't say from what others have seen or done. When I first got my motor done I took it to the track with stock suspension. The rear squat really bad from my launch, I was pulling some high 60's. 1.8-1.9 with a 250 WHP nitrous fed motor. So I switch them to Skunk2 drag launch in the rear. I pulled better 60's 1.6-1.7, but with the stiff rears my trap speed went down by 5 MPH. I think if you play around with it to where it's not too stiff you won't lose trap speed and still manage to pull good 60's. I did manage .1 faster with the better 60 and lower trap though.
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 09:52 PM
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The traps went down because you were getting better traction on the short track and not spinning as much out of the hole. Normally wheelspin will net you higher MPH on the big end.
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 10:30 PM
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spend it once man Strange suspension
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 11:35 PM
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spend it once man Strange suspension
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 04:42 AM
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having the rear softer sounds like some rwd advice. they do that so the rear squats and transfers more weight over the rear axle.

i have the omni's in my car 12k/18k (also 475hp). i drive it all over, even taking it to work 65 miles round trip in a little while.

i cant help you on brand, ive only used the omnis. however, once you get them play around with the preload on the rears
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 04:56 AM
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Check out.. IPG parts.......james has a good write up on suspension... with real life results.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by blackeg
having the rear softer sounds like some rwd advice. they do that so the rear squats and transfers more weight over the rear axle.

i have the omni's in my car 12k/18k (also 475hp). i drive it all over, even taking it to work 65 miles round trip in a little while.

i cant help you on brand, ive only used the omnis. however, once you get them play around with the preload on the rears
That's absolutely incorrect. Weight transfer is still weight transfer. It's all about controlling it.

Don't get confused with springs and shocks. They do different things. Stiff springs is the wrong way to go about controlling the squat on the rear.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 05:38 AM
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That's absolutely incorrect. Weight transfer is still weight transfer. It's all about controlling it.

Don't get confused with springs and shocks. They do different things. Stiff springs is the wrong way to go about controlling the squat on the rear.
so in this car doing the straps on the front would be a good idea?
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 05:39 AM
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That's absolutely incorrect. Weight transfer is still weight transfer. It's all about controlling it.

Don't get confused with springs and shocks. They do different things. Stiff springs is the wrong way to go about controlling the squat on the rear.
right, to me, the 1k in the rear makes it shock the car because it just slams on to a hard spring....the rear of the car is no where near 1000lbs lol
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 05:42 AM
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Keep it simple. The best bang for the buck are the Blox. I have been 1.61 with them and a few other tweaks.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 05:51 AM
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i got the skunk 2 drag coils and cut 1.7-1.8 60's on 22 inch slicks
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 05:57 AM
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Keep it simple. The best bang for the buck are the Blox. I have been 1.61 with them and a few other tweaks.
what other tweaks have you made?
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 07:22 AM
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so in this car doing the straps on the front would be a good idea?
Straps do something different. They limit lift in the front which helps prevent squat in the back from the transfer. Even still when they come to their limits it shocks the chassis.

Think of stiff rear springs like this.... because the springs are so damn stiff it sthocks the hell out of the chassis and ultimately affects the traction. If you have the transfer of weight nice and smooth they you have a better chance of maintaining traction and controlling tire shake.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 07:43 AM
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So is there a suspension kit that can be bought for around $600-$800 that will work properly? It's not like it is some magical part that needs to be described that cannot be named.

There are some really vague answers in most suspension threads and I know people want to keep their secrets but damn. Where do you draw the line and help someone with something and not send them off guessing and buying parts and re-buying parts over and over again.

Tepid, you seem very knowledgeable in this area. Do you know of a suspension that will work properly as you describe and not cost an arm and a leg?
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:25 AM
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Best bang for the buck.... Strange suspension. Double adjustable (compression and rebound) and you can change the springs easily.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 10:41 AM
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Strange suspension FTW price anit bad for what you get
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 01:15 PM
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id like to check these strange suspensions out. anyone got a part number for 92-95 eg hatch?
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 01:16 PM
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Strange suspension FTW price anit bad for what you get
this is true but its still out of the budget right now. thats why i was looking at ksports or blox.
out of the two which ones would you guys prefer
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 01:18 PM
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welp nevermind found them.. great price
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by boostontheD
this is true but its still out of the budget right now. thats why i was looking at ksports or blox.
out of the two which ones would you guys prefer
Neither. lol

Save until you can get the good ones. You'll thank everyone later.

PS> be prepared for a terrible ride with the blox and omni's. It's pretty rough.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SLIM NOTHING
id like to check these strange suspensions out. anyone got a part number for 92-95 eg hatch?
Call Kens Kustom Chassis. They are pretty close to you and stand behind what they sell. Good people over there.
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 01:59 PM
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Call Kens Kustom Chassis. They are pretty close to you and stand behind what they sell. Good people over there.
thats awesome.. ill just order them when i get my cage and chute mount from them, that will save some time.. thanks alot
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Old Jul 14, 2011 | 02:15 PM
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Neither. lol

Save until you can get the good ones. You'll thank everyone later.

PS> be prepared for a terrible ride with the blox and omni's. It's pretty rough.
alright il just save and wait. going to use your advice.
where would be the best place to order them from?
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Old Jul 15, 2011 | 04:05 AM
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I love my strange suspension rides beautiful on the street.Bought mine from miller and he also revalved them for me.
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