Is there a given ruleset that is followed for the current group of Full-bodied OEM chassis All-Motor cars? If there is a common rulebook, can someone help guide me to it please?

Thanks in advance guys,

 

FWD, naturally aspirated vehicles only.
-No external oil/vaccuum pumps or sumped setups.
-No Methanol/Alcohol allowed. E98 is NOT ALLOWED- We will be testing fuel
-Any race gas is permitted / E85 is allowed/ E98 is NOT ALLOWED- We will be testing fuel
-No one piece front ends allowed
-No Wheelie Bars
-Factory floorboard must be intact. ie: no back halving
-Engine/Transmission must be from same manufacturer
-No sequential transmissions
-H2B, H2D, F2K swaps are allowed
- No solid rear axles
-25 inch Tire limit

-LEXAN IS ALLOWED behind windshield - but you must meet weight requirements. WINDSHIELD MUST BE GLASS
-Race doors are allowed, but must have a handle on inside and out. This will eliminate some race doors. Gutted stock doors with lexan will be allowed as long as handle is present.

Weight Limits - Weight will be checked after each run

Honda:
2200lbs- J series
2100lbs - K series, F2K
1950lbs - H series
1900lbs - B series

VW:
2200 - Vr6
1900- 2.0

Nissan :
4cy Sr20 - 1900

 

This is for the westcoast shoot out
East coast was the same but
Weights were different

 

This is what we use for the east coast events and all of the All Motor Shootouts.

Rules :

We will be Using a PRO ladder. (ex. #1 vs. #16 , #2 vs. #15, etc )

All Motor Street -designed for full bodied, naturally aspirated 4 cyl. fwd cars.

Minimum weights

Honda:
2200lbs - J series
2150lbs - K and F2K Series
2000lbs - H and H2B Series
1900lbs - B Series

VW:
Vr6 - 2150lbs
2.0 - 1900lbs

Nissan:
4cyl sr20 - 1900lbs

If anyone wishes to Bring something not on the weight list just ASK ! ! !

Class Requirements:

ENGINE:
Engine swaps (e.g.,B series with B series) permitted; however OEM mounting points must be utilized. Engine swap (e.g., B series to a K series) permitted provided engine swap kits are commercially available and approved in advance. Engine must be from same manufacturer as body. Engine must be overhead cam, production based design. Engine must be in stock, transverse configuration. Dry sump oil system or external oil pumps prohibited unless OEM equipped and engine is using complete OEM oiling system. External electric water pumps are allowed. No vaccuum pumps allowed.

ENGINE CONTAINMENT DEVICE:
Engine diaper or catch pan device to capture oil and debris in event of engine failure mandatory. Where exhaust header passes directly under oil pan, two piece diaper may be utilized. FWD vehicles using OEM manual transmission case must also have such a device for the transmission, to capture oil and debris in event of transmission failure. if catch pan device is used, catch pan must employ minimum of 2 inch high lips on all sides. Lips must be coved or curved inward, so as to contain oil in pan. Catch pan must cover entire area below engine/transmission. In all cases, lips must be adequate enough to contain oil in the catch pan. Should a competitor spill excessive oil from the catch pan and debris onto the track, he or she may be disqualified from further competition at the sole and absolute discretion of the event director until catch pan is upgraded, regardless of height of pan lips or pan design.

EXHAUST:
No Muffler required. Open exhaust ok. Side/hood exit ok

FUEL:
Any race gasoline (E85, Q16, VP import, ETC.) permitted, E98 is NOT ALLOWED. We will be using an electronic ethanol content device to measure ethanol level. Fuel Cell allowed - but must meet all NHRA safety Rules. Methanol is not allowed. All competitors will be checked at least once and are subject to random inspection.


FLYWHEEL/ SCATTER SHIELD:
All cars using a clutch and running quicker than 11.49 or faster than 135mph must be equipped with a flywheel shield made of 1/4 inch minimum thickness steel plate. Shield must surround the bellhousing completely except for area of flywheel shield adjacent to differential and axle shaft. Shield may be multi piece with pieces bolted together using minimum 3/8 inch diameter Grade 5 or M10 class 8.8 bolts; may be attached to engine and or bell housing. in lieu of shield, a blanket meeting SFI spec 4.1 completely surrounding the bellhousing is permitted.


TRANSMISSION:
Automated, timer type, pneumatic, electric, electronic, hydraulic,etc. shifting mechanism prohibited; each individual shift must be a function of the driver and controlled manually. (Driver must pull the lever.) Transmission must be from same manufacturer as engine. Non OEM or aftermarket transmission prohibited. Adjustable PRO STOCK type clutches prohibited.

BRAKES:
Four wheel hydraulic brakes mandatory. Carbon fiber brake rotors prohibited. Staging brake allowed.

STEERING:
Must retain full, original, OEM steering gear.

SUSPENSION, FRONT:
Upper mounting point for strut assemblies must be in the factory location. Adjustable caster/camber pillowball mounts are permitted. Lower control arm may be strengthened provided factory mounting points to the chassis are maintained. Lower mounting point for strut assembly may be modified for improved caster or camber. Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars and limit straps are permitted. Traction bars/devices permitted; must be bolt on ONLY. Final decision rests with Technical Services.

SUSPENSION, REAR:
Must maintain original factory configuration. Aftermarket lower control arms, strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars and limit straps are permitted. Rear suspension must maintain minimum shock travel of 1 inch. All rear suspensions must use at least one working shock absorber per wheel. Suspension modifications limited to bolt on items only. ALL OEM suspension mounts/attachment points must be utilized. Spindle mount/ Solid axles prohibited.

WHEELIE BARS:
Prohibited.

CHASSIS:
OEM chassis, with complete OEM floorpan and firewall mandatory. Wheel tubs, backhalf conversions, tube chassis, etc. prohibited. Must retain FWD configuration; rear drive conversions prohibited. Engine must be located in OEM location for body used. Non OEM tubing in front of firewall prohibited except to tie shock towers to roll cage.

GROUND CLEARANCE:
Minimum 3 inches from front of car to 12 inches behind centerline of front axle, 2 inches for remainder of car.

WHEELBASE:
Must retain original wheelbase for body used, plus or minus 1 inch. Maximum wheelbase variation from left to right is 1 inch.

TIRES:
25 inch Tire Max

WHEELS:
Must be automotive type wheels suitable for street or racing use. Minimum wheel size 13 inches unless originally equipped with smaller wheels and vehicle is equipped with original engine. Wheel studs must be threaded into hex portion of lug nut a distance at leas equal to the diameter of the stud. Spindle mounts prohibited.

BODY:
Body must be on accepted bodies list. Pickups and SUVs prohibited.
Mild customizing and body kits permitted but must retain full bodied appearance with minimum 2 functional doors. Chopped roofs prohibited. Hood scoops or openings permitted. Doors must open and close from inside and outside. LEXAN IS ALLOWED. Windshield must be glass , but other wise Lexan is OK. NO RACE DOORS ALLOWED. Fully Gutted stock doors are OK.
Lightweight body panels limited to hood, fenders and deck lid. Aftermarket body kits permitted but full street legal appearance must be maintained. One peice aftermarket front end prohibited. JoJo/CFT/Exospeed 3 piece front ends allowed.

INTERIOR:
NO INTERIOR RULES- Does not matter if car is gutted, just meet weight requirements.

FIREWALL:
Complete OEM firewall mandatory. Mini tubbing prohibited

FLOOR:
OEM floorpan, front to rear, mandatory.

STREET EQUIPMENT:
Both taillights and at least 1 headlight mandatory.

WINDSHIELD/WINDOWS:
Glass windshield required. All other windows are allowed to have lexan.

Tow vehicles prohibited

 

Our L.A. Outlaw FWD Race event a few weeks ago here in Socal adopted the E-town All Motor shootout rules so both sides of the coast can have a uniform set of rules. The rules posted above are great and is fair to many of the builds out there across the country. Its fair and a good basis on how you should build your car to make it equivalent to most competitive cars out there.

Of course you still have to consider the events you really plan to attend. Some local classes/events may have their own rules that are more in line with the cars in your area. You just have to figure out which you want to follow considering the events you plan to attend.

 

Thanks guys!

Looks like you could build a car to fit into both the NHRA SS/CX and the "Outlaw" Street all-motor class with minimal changes. Does anybody besides the Toyo car run NHRA events?

 

You mean ss/ex? Cx is a rwd class. Scott Kelley is the only ex car as of now although all the pro stock all motor cars fit in ex. He is the only one that participates in nhra events though.

Read the rules carefully about the modifies experimental classes. They are fairly strict. We have a cx and dx car. Pm me if you have questions

 

are theese weights with driver in the car or without?

 

Actually, I couldn't find anywhere that says it HAS TO BE RWD... It does make allotments for converting to RWD, but doesn't require the vehicle to be RWD that I can tell.

What do you run in SS/CX? I'm fully aware of the Regal's, T-type's, and GN's in SS/DX...

 

it does not specifically say rwd for cx but i would run it by them before you start building just to make sure. ex is the only one that specifically states fwd only.

if you are trying to build an all motor car that fits into street all motor and nhra ss/cx, then yes this would be it beings ss/ex is basically a full tube-chassis class, one-piece front end, etc class (pro stock style all motor cars like norris, bisi, kelley, etc).

index for cx is 10.80, 12.5 lbs/ci so that would be about 1525 for 2.0L or 1825 for 2.4L, not sure on your division, but should be able to .500 under index to be competitive. race gas only.

index for ex is 10.50, 11.5 lbs/ci...full tube chassis, blah blah blah, pro stock style all motor cars, can run methanol.

if you compare ex and cx it doesnt make sense at all when comparing the index and lbs/ci beings rwd is allowed in cx.

modified experimental classes allow lexan so it should be possible to get down to 1800 or so for ss/cx. only thing that sucks is people that have no clue what index racing is, they will show up with a rwd car and permanently screw up the index for you very quick.

good to see others showing interest in nhra.

 

Finally got back into town and checked my e-mail. FWD is officially allowed in SS/CX.

Looks like the NHRA would allow me to use any fwd transaxle with the same number of forward gears as the car came with from the factory.

So the next question is:

Why do the "Outlaw" Street All Motor rules not allow a Honda transmission in another brand? I believe the rule reads as " the transmission must match the engine brand", or something to that extent. With the availability of numerous different gearsets for the K-series transaxle, I would like to run one if possible. So back to the question, Why can't you run a K-series transaxle in a Nissan, or Toyota, or Ford Street All-motor car?

 

Because it is a "street car" class. Even though the term is used very loosely.

That would put you into the realm of pro all motor.

You can run many different gearsets, as long as the transmission casing stays oem honda in fwd trim.

 

Good deal! Hope to see you out there.

 

Why would it be any different than a D series engine on a B series trans, or a F series on a K series trans? Both need an adapter, what's the difference if I'm adapting a SR20 or Zetec engine onto the K series trans and putting it in a Sentra or Focus?

Every K-powered Civic in the class except Loan has an engine AND trans that have been adapted into a car they didn't originally come in...

 

^ Because all the b2d h2b and f2k kits retain a honda transmission.

FYI Loan car is no diff then all the other K powered cars in the class.

Marc P

 

These are the rules for the Import Revolution event and WCF event:
http://www.importrevo.com/rules/06/2...o_allmotor.pdf

 

Okay, let me back up here, I think I'm coming across wrong on this...

I'm asking this out of curiosity more than anything.

Is there some sort of advantage that I am overlooking here for people wanting to use a Honda trans but not build a Honda car? In reality, it would be more expensive to have a gearset built for a Nissan box than it does to purchase a gearset for a K-series and adapt the Honda trans to the KA24 engine.

Ford Mustang guys drive around on the street with Chevy Th400 transmissions all the time. Every brand of Hotrod has as many people using the Ford 9" as their are people using the OEM rear-end. Why??? Because they are the affordable solution to drivetrain breakage.

All that would be accomplished by allowing alternate manufacturer's OEM transmissions to be used is to cut the expense of buying the more popular gearsets.

Anyhow, it's just a question out of curiosity more than anything...

 

I see what your are saying, but the rules we have for our all motor street classes where voted on by the racers to keep the cost down and level the playing field.


Marc P

 

That's kind of funny! It would make the field more level, and the gearsets definitely won't go up in price because more are being made...

Anyhow, I'm not here to rock the boat. I'll build the car and use a syncro set that I can put in a gearbox that matches the car. It's no use arguing when I haven't even entered an event in that class yet, LOL...

Hopefully the class will appreciate a new brand participating in the class.