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5th Gen Clutch Goes Down, But Doesn't Come Back

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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 07:01 AM
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Default 5th Gen Clutch Goes Down, But Doesn't Come Back

Like the title says, I still need to bleed the clutch, but doesn't the pedal need to raise on it's own?
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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 08:31 AM
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no, not until most of the air in the system is gone. while cycling the pedal by hand to distribute and fill the lines with fluid the pedal will start to return on it's own. that's how you know you're close to being done filling/bleeding.
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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 08:50 AM
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no, not until most of the air in the system is gone. while cycling the pedal by hand to distribute and fill the lines with fluid the pedal will start to return on it's own. that's how you know you're close to being done filling/bleeding.
Well im confused then. I opened the valve on the slave cylinder until continuous fluid shot out, closed it mid stream.

Then i moved up the hard line to the next connection which is a flared line. Opened that up until solid fluid came out.

Other than that, there is the 17mm banjo bolt coming off the top of the trans. I did the same thing here.

Where else am I supposed to bleed?
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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 06:48 PM
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You're suppose to keep bleeding at the slave cyl til the pedal is solid; don't hop around opening up lines and bolts. You're just gonna get more air in than before. It takes awhile on these Accords. Not like Civics/Tegs. Just keep bleeding it at the slave. Have someone pump the clutch pedal by hand while you open and closes the slave cyl bleeder bolt.
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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 08:20 PM
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same prob but i bleed the slave for 3 hours now an it just keeps going to the floor i went through 2 1 liters of clutch fluid
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Old Jun 14, 2011 | 10:52 PM
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This is a MUCH easier method of bleeding.

Get a vacuum hose that's about 5 feet long. Attach one end of the hose to your bleeder valve and shove the other end of the hose into your clutch master cylinder.

Open the bleeder valve and pump the clutch pedal a couple times until the fluid level goes down. Once the level is down, add more fluid and keep repeating this until the fluid doesn't go down any further.

When the air is all gone, the fluid level will remain the same regardless of how many times you pump the pedal.

The entire system + the amount of fluid in your 5 foot hose shouldn't be more than half a liter. If it's taking more than that, I would suspect a leak in the system somewhere.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 03:34 AM
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This is a MUCH easier method of bleeding.

Get a vacuum hose that's about 5 feet long. Attach one end of the hose to your bleeder valve and shove the other end of the hose into your clutch master cylinder.

Open the bleeder valve and pump the clutch pedal a couple times until the fluid level goes down. Once the level is down, add more fluid and keep repeating this until the fluid doesn't go down any further.

When the air is all gone, the fluid level will remain the same regardless of how many times you pump the pedal.

The entire system + the amount of fluid in your 5 foot hose shouldn't be more than half a liter. If it's taking more than that, I would suspect a leak in the system somewhere.
agreed. this is best ^^^
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by slomofo
This is a MUCH easier method of bleeding.

Get a vacuum hose that's about 5 feet long. Attach one end of the hose to your bleeder valve and shove the other end of the hose into your clutch master cylinder.

Open the bleeder valve and pump the clutch pedal a couple times until the fluid level goes down. Once the level is down, add more fluid and keep repeating this until the fluid doesn't go down any further.

When the air is all gone, the fluid level will remain the same regardless of how many times you pump the pedal.

The entire system + the amount of fluid in your 5 foot hose shouldn't be more than half a liter. If it's taking more than that, I would suspect a leak in the system somewhere.
Doing this recycles the clutch fluid right? Its shooting out of the slave cylinder into the hose, going back into the master cylinder....how long does this normally take?
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 11:14 AM
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Usually takes me about 90 seconds or less.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 11:45 AM
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wow that fast huh? alright thanks.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 02:55 PM
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Attached are correct bleeding instructions, I am thinking you may not be closing bleed port when retracting clutch pedal
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 03:04 PM
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Cool man, thanks. And yes, I left the valve open the entire time. I only closed it when no more air came out, and closed it during a solid stream.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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The nice thing about submerging the exit end of the hose in brake fluid is that you don't need to close the line every time you let the pedal up. Let the pedal up slowly and the clutch master piston will draw fluid in from the resevoir before pulling fluid up from the hose.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 06:11 PM
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Or just gravity bleed it by leaving it open til solid streams are running out which is another way to do it.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by phootbag
The nice thing about submerging the exit end of the hose in brake fluid is that you don't need to close the line every time you let the pedal up. Let the pedal up slowly and the clutch master piston will draw fluid in from the resevoir before pulling fluid up from the hose.
So it is common to have to manually raise the pedal off the floor board after each pump while bleeding?
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 06:41 AM
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I had to manually pull the pedal back from floor several times before it started to pop back on its own. I believe this to be because too much air is in the system. Did you replace the slave cylinder, mine has failed twice. I would still suggest to use the procedure from the manual. I know it works. I have not tried the other 2 methods that were recommended so I cannot confirm if they work.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dafang
I had to manually pull the pedal back from floor several times before it started to pop back on its own. I believe this to be because too much air is in the system. Did you replace the slave cylinder, mine has failed twice. I would still suggest to use the procedure from the manual. I know it works. I have not tried the other 2 methods that were recommended so I cannot confirm if they work.
Alright good I thought possibly something could have been broken.

The slave cylinder was working when I removed the old motor, no reason why it would be faulty now.

Also, maybe a dumb question; do the tie rod ends face downward or upward when installing into the wheel assembly?
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 07:19 AM
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The bolt on tie rod should be pointing up
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 4g4dcruisin
So it is common to have to manually raise the pedal off the floor board after each pump while bleeding?

If you're bleeding with the valve open the entire time, you have to pull the pedal up by hand. If bleeding the messy way by opening/closing the valve, then you should have to manually pull the pedal up the first couple times and then hydraulic pressure will gradually push it back up for you.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 08:30 AM
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Bled the clutch, everything is working properly. Still havent had the chance to fire up the car tho!
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