ok so, i have a b pillar bar, c pillar bar, monkey bar (ive herd it called a lower b pillar) both front and rear upper and lower strut bars and im just curious how i adjust all these bars, so far ive gotten the b and c pillar bars adjusted, i raised the car up on jack stands, and adjursted them out (pushing outwards on either point) as for strut bars im nots sure if they push outwards or pull together, if anyone can fill me in on what to do with all the bars that would be killer, ive looked for writeups on these but havnt found much usefull info

 

Nothing you can do with them. You can hang your cloth on the c-pillar bar.

 

Sway bar is completely different.

 

lol i think he wants to know how to adjust them, so there actually doing what theyre supposed too not just sitting in the car.

 

Exactly

 

All of those are wastes of money. They aren't "adjustable". Especially as they look to be Ebay grade. Unless they are solid bars they will flex, defeating the purpose of having these bars in the first place.

 

they seem to work, as it sits now i can put the car on 3 wheels over bigger bumps i just wanna know if theyre adjusted right, its not a hard question to answer

 

i dont give a **** if there good to have or "a waste of money" im asking how to adjust these

 

Adjusting them wont do anything, really. You can't adjust them to be more affective, as they aren't doing anything now.

Anything above the shock towers is useless!


Why do you think the point of these bars is?
I'll give you a hint, it's not for body roll.

 

Seem to work? I think you've convinced yourself that they do. No offense. As I've said already, they aren't adjustable.

 

then why do they sell b and c pillar bars? and x brace's? they do adjust, they either push out on the bolt points or they can pull in by twisting them, and as far as strut tower bars, theyre supposed to pull the towers together?

 

and im guessing that i should just save my money up n get a cage then

 

The same reason people install Beaks bars. They look "cool" and people keep buying them.

 

People (you) fall into a false sense of belief that these parts do something. Company's know this, and will sell you ANYTHING they can make money on.

Those adjustment points are simply there for the bar to be a universal fit, and for ease of installation. They really truly do nothing.

A strut bar/brace are said to do something by some, and others swear they do nothing.

X bar's tie several parts of the car together. So there could be a difference.

I promise you those B and C pillar bars are doing nothing for you. It's actually illegal to have a C pillar bar with someone in the back seat. And can cause major harm to someone.
Ever had a chunk of aluminum smashed against your head? I bet it doesn't feel to good.

You "might" see a difference with a track car, but, I doubt you'll ever be able to push your car hard enough on the street to feel it.

You should save your money and put it into a quality set of coilovers or lowering springs with a good set of shocks. OR, sway bars front and rear.

 

ha ha...listen to 98civdx, he knows what's up

A rear sway bar upgrade would do more than all of those useless pillar bars together, difference is night and day, and functional!!!!

 

...they shouldn't be adjustable. nor are they. nor do they work.
solid bars only. ONLY.

any adjustable point in a functioning bar would be a breakable point. no bueno.

98civdx knows whats goin on.

 

Your right bro. I am not an engineer yet but I been studying to be one and these bars would seriously do nothing to help chassis flex.

First of the minimum a structure can be to be ridged is a triangle ie: x bar it has a large triangular center section.

Second the tower bar will flex in the center of it due to forces acting on the ends of it. All it will really do is transfer force from one end to another. It has no way of transfer forces to other parts of the body like the x bar to make a rigid structure.

Third the cheap eBay bars are probably made from cheap material ie; the cost is low so its material it is made up is probably more susceptible to bending. I have not taken strength of materials and stuff so Ill get back with an equation or something later.

Lastly the adjusting of that bar is only to help with the universal filament many cars are slightly off from manufacturing or accidents. The more the bar can move in different directions the better so anyone can use and meaning less returns and more profit for ........... "overseas" I guess is what they call China now lol.

I can see it doing harm too if you continue to torque on it and make it tight as it can be your adding unnecessary compression and tension to the bar and the body. If your adjust it tighter the bar is compressing its self in the center and your also adding compression or tension to the body. During high speed cornering where forces are strongest on the body your car can react differently making it potentially dangerous and unpredictable. Also if you apply enough force you might be able to shear that threaded section off the bar that be sweet! More than likely no one that has these on there cars are going to take it to a major auto crossing event like NASA well at least poorly engineered or designed ones.

My 2 cents I am not an expert on the subject but from what I studied doesn't look good. I want to fabricate some of my own custom X bars for the trunk and under hood one day and test It out........ maybe Ill find some interesting results.

 

they already make both of those just so you know. 3 point and i cant recall the trunks name.

 

i have fully adjustable cusco suspension and type r 4 lug brakes all around, plus the type r factory sway bars, and thnx for the info on the b c pillar bars, im selling them now lol, i autocross my car so i want to get my suspension upgraded as much as i can, same with tires im not much for these 615's, they kinda suck lol, wats ur input on floor bars? i dont hear many people talk about those

 

The type that go across by the b pillar? Never really heard anything on those. I would assume they would be the same. But you know how assuming can go.

Yea, the 615's do lack, they tend to get really oily after a lap or two causing them to just suck *****.

Take a look at the Potenza RE-11, or the Dunlop Direzza Star spec. Both are quality tires. Are you running a separate set for autox and street use?

What are you running as far as camber/toe?

 

yea its like a b pillar bar bur goes along the floor behind the drivers seat. no camber kit, n stock toe, i got the car not too long ago n i started putting little bits in it here n there, i hate the 16" rims (even tho they look sooo sexy) and i hate the tires, they just spin, im lookin for a set of nitto invos for street and not sure what i want for track, and i want a camber kit, the car isnt rediculously low, so its doesnt have much camber, just like a 2,3 inch drop so a lil over stock

edit: n so far i use the 615's for autocross yea

 

n that potenza is suuuuuppppeeerrr sexy btw

 

Yea. My friend use's them. They are a great all around tire, they do surprising well in rain.

 

I have heard that with a roll cage, you have to keep some room between the chassis and the bars. The chassis does flex.

If you're going to get serious, a cage would do a better job of tying the body together since it attaches to more solid areas on either side, and front to back.

Just look at how the eBay tie bars are made. Stamped pieces of metal with no additional bracing. Anything that can actually resist movement will have to be able to withstand quite a bit of force without flex.

 

I you really want to be serious. Spot weld the entire chassis. Probably not recommend for street use after that.