allright! The crank pulley is off! A friend loaned me his really good impact wrench and it took it right off, no problemo. I guess my wimpy one wouldn't do it. Anyway thanks a million guys. Now I have to figure out how to get the timing back right. It's a 90 accord ex. I know the bottom belt slipped some when we were trying to take the pulley bolt off with a socket and breaker bar, cause the word "top" was on top and the timing mark over on the flywheel lined up perfect when we started. Now it is off by about 10 degress or so. Any ideas to get it lined back up, or do I do this when I pull the 2 timing belts off? What about this maintenance bolt in the back that the manual talks about? it's a 6X100mm bolt to go in the hole to line something up. Does this really need to be done? Any help is greatly appreciated. thanks again. Gary.