Spy Pics out from FT86club.com

Not as hot as the FR-S concept at all! Those also look like Subaru/Enkei wheels so maybe this is actually not the Toyota/Scion but the Subaru version?




Hopefully it still ends up looking OK. But most importantly, drove great.

Source thread - http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1290

 

No fancy brake set up?

 

Big fancy brakes aren't necessary on a light car.

 

I so can't wait to see what this looks like as a production car.

 

Already taking shape to be a gutless boring little scion, just as I expected.

With the way things keep going in the japanese automotive market, it looks like my s2k won't be replaced by anything better during this decade.

Maybe we will see a truly fun japanese car by 2020?

 

I'm not sure I follow. Are you suggesting the s2000 was the last "fun" japanese car?

Off the top of my head:

Mazdapseed 3
WRX/STI
EVO
GT-R
370Z/G37
RX8 R3 (lapped VIR within a second of a s2000CR during C&D's lightnnig lap, fwiw)
TL SHAWD M6
Civic Si (not fast, but definitely fun)

I guess none of them are roadsters like the S2000, but the Miata still does well and even though its down on power is consistantly reviwed as still being a great driver's car.

 

To clarify, Japan is not putting out any cars that are just plain fun.

I'm not talking about an economy car/hatchback that "can" also be sorta fun sometimes.

I'm not talking about a heavy four door sedan with an unresponsive turbocharged 4cyl engine and awd drivetrain that is great for snowboarding trips, hauling people, and still manages to be fun sometimes.

I'm not talking about a heavy four door sedan with an unresponsive turbo charged 4cyl engine and awd drivetrain that is great for snowboard trips, hauling people, and still manages to be fun sometimes.

I'm not talking about 90k+ super cars.

I'm not talking about wankle junk.

I'm not talking about big awd sedans with enough power to be fun sometimes.

I'm not talking about an economy car that "can" also be sorta fun sometimes.

I've owned and driven miatas, they are almost fun. The newer ones just got uglier and heavier.

I'd say a Z car is the closest thing to just plain fun, I forgot about the Z, my mistake.

My girl friend got a mini cooper recently because we weren't impressed with the fun factor available from any japanese car with a backseat in the same price range. I really wish she was still driving a honda, but we were left with no choice.

 

on this topic, i wouldn't make such a negative comment until the actual vehicle comes into production. as for all the cars that you completely trashed. last time i checked superb handling in my 4 AWD turbocharged evo 8 sure does keep me smiling, as well as when i blow past your roadster/ middle aged woman convertible..... if i feel like riding in a drop i just pull out my del sol to give me a true topless feeling. yes the s2000 is a beautiful vehicle, and somewhat fun, but by no way in any means can it compete powerwise with most of the cars this guy just listed. and last i recall stock for stock an evo or STI can not only if not out handle an s2000 it damn sure can keep with them on the twisties. and for sure blow past them on a straight way

 

I bet you haven't even taken a ride in half those cars.

 

He must have a very specific definition of "fun." To me, a 2300lb miata with 115hp is fun, but so is my 3800lb 400hp GTO. My Integra GSR was fun, but so was my LS1 Z28.

Maybe I just have a very broad definition of "fun."

 

aww because your s2000 is better than all of that!

Ignorant ****.






On topic, the ft86 thing has potential, IF they don't **** it up. I'm glad to see the small brakes, which hint at a cheaper base model, and if they stick to what they have been saying about a range topping STI motor....

I'd rather see them badge it a toyota or lexus, who wants to buy a potentially $30k-$40k rwd sports car and be associated with the 17 year olds who drive scions? Maybe this is toyotas attempt at turning scion around, who knows.

Keep it light, option it as a 2-seater, kickass suspension and a cheap price for the base while offering a high horsepower variant, and it will sell well and please a lot of people.

 

If anyone doesn't like it in still pics, check it out in motion, it looks a lot better.

SPY VIDEO:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1305

 

What's with the Celica wing on it...

 

i noticed the TROLL never chimed back in, back on topic i still this car having some sort of potential, i think it'll be a good seller, especially if they make a boosted version of it.

 

Hyundai Tiburon

 

Hard to get excited about this if they decide they don't want to offer a turbo version.

I never woke up in the morning and said "man, I wish somebody offered a N/A 4cyl boxer engine in a RWD sports car."

I really do like the way it looks and the fact that it's RWD though. Add a turbo and I think this will be a home run.

 

Maybe they'll make a turbo version once the N/A model in general gets a decent amount of sales. Still, it's not like people/companies aren't going to build/make turbo kits for the FR-S anyways.

 

i think it's more likely Subaru will offer an STI/turbo version since Scion will want to keep the price low (as with all other scions).

i'm sure we'll see a USDM 2.5L wrx sti swap at SEMA following the car's release.

 

The thing is that I don't want to spend 20-30k on a new car just to spend another few thousand doing my best to void the warranty. I would much rather it just rolled out of the factory without requiring such drastic changes as an aftermarket turbo kit or an engine swap.

Even if the turbo version wasn't a fire breathing monster from the factory, in my opinion it would still be more fun and interesting. There is so much more potential with forced induction, and it's only easier when the car comes from the factory that way. As long as the engine is stout, you change a few of the main components and suddenly your 170hp turd is making Corvette power with near factory reliability.

 

yup, heavy, unresponsive, and good for snowboard trips

laguna lap times, from motortrend i think, obvioulsy not all on the same day but theres plenty of other times/info out there if you care too search(which i doubt)

31. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X MR 1:47.71
...
33. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 1:47.93
...
38. Honda S2000 1:50.74

they are all respectable fun to drive cars

 

Hes talking about hardcore drivers cars guys, not raw numbers but raw "feel"

 

Hes right there isnt alot of "raw" cars forsale these days....

Elise is the only car thats affordable that fits the bill, but its still alot

 

how is an elise with a celica gts 180 hp car "raw" ???? yea its an elise but just every car that was mentioned in this thread would walk a elise... autocross, straight way, etc... you want a "Raw" rear wheel drive N/A car then maybe your looking at the wrong type of cars... maybe a covette, camaro, mustang, or challenger is more to your liking.

 

Some people are being a little unrealistic. It sounds like some are expecting Toyota/Subaru to give us something that:

1. Looks like a Ferrari California
2. Performs like a baby Nissan GTR
3. All for the price of a Scion tC

 

Raw in his terms are a car without all the electronic driving aids aka AWD, yaw control, traction control ext ext ext... name a car today you can buy like that? That's why I say the mid to late 90s was the best time for cars.