OK so I think I have a pretty good idea how to get there, but I want some other opinions. I really would like to stay with the B16 just for something to do. Is it possible to get 200 whp without boring the block up? I would guess 12.5:1 comp, JUN III would be mandatory. Anything else?

 

I'd go with something like Hondata to help you run that compression safely w/ a fairly aggressive timing curve.

 

FI...

 

Yea FI of any kind could get you there, you'd be suprised how hard it is to make power man.... when I went to the dyno today saw a civic si with cams and bolt ons and gears etc... best they could get outta it was 115hp and like 95tq (older si).

Then a g2 teg with a b16 swapped in, and it was only making like 120whp and dunno tq, and that car was all tweaked out with cams, gears, and lots of other NA type stuff... I consider myself lucky I have damn near twice the whp my car had when it was bone stock...

 

you can achieve 200 whp in a b16, its not hard just depends on how much you are willing to spend and how you want to achieve it. FI, N/A. how are you lookin to make it ?

 

guess I should have said NA is the only way I'm going to do this... sorry FI guys. Currently I have everything but compression (11.1:1) But I don't want to waste my time here. If it can't be done with 1.6 then I guess I'll have to look elsewhere, B18C block.

 

its gonna be near impossible NA
sorry dude
unless your resleeving, overboring and stroking it.

 

even with 12.5:1 comp? Theoritically, I only need 40 hp as per Honda's statement about the engine. But then it is crank hp and not whp, what is it a 35% loss or something like that. So in reality I need 60 hp more. Cams and tuning are good for what about 15-20 (if I'm lucky), compression makes a big difference here also. I dunno... there has to be a way to do it.

 

Ok listen, even if your tranny only sucks away 15% which it MOST likely takes a little more mabye even up to 20%.... your making a "claimed" 136whp. You don't know how hard it is to make power, ESPECIALLY another 64whp or more.

Nitrous could get you there, but I highly doubt cams, gears, and tuning will even touch that goal. And I don't even know if the compression is going to get you there either.... you'd be spending LOTS of money trying to scramble ever little HP.

 

isnt roger foo's old eg n/a with a b16?

or was it itr?

i think it was b16 and it made more than 200 hp n/a

 

That's what NA is all about. Fight for every last HP.

(((((NA))))))

 

there is a way but it'll cost ya....u can shave a couple hundreths off ur head, get it port and polished(both intake and exaust)dont forget to re-sit ur valves, buy a racing intake, exaust, headers, plug wires, distributor, cams, cam gears, bigger injectors, bigger throttle body, fuel rail, fuel pressure regulator, aluminum flywheel, pulleys, and a tuned comp. theres a few options for ya....and if u really do get all that done u'll have over 200 hp for sure...

 

Are you sure b/c I am making 203whp with my JUN3 setup and thats with a 81mm bore.

 

nice

 

actually, I've done pretty much all that... except for pulleys, compression, and a racing intake... I was thinking about going with ITB setup, but I can't spend that much right now.

 

it can be done bump up the compression get cams and tune it

 

Roger Foo's World Challenge Spec B16A buiilt by Omniman
JDM B16A (1st gen) block

Stock B16A PR3 head
ITR valve springs
ITR lost motion assembly
ITR cams
skunk2 cam gears
CTR pistons (~12:1 CR)
DC 4-2-1 (my old banged up one!)
open exhaust (little resonator)
ITR intake manifold
stock airbox w/K&N drop in & cold air ducting
stock throttle body
skunk2 ECU
Field SFC-VTEC
balanced bottom end
ITR clutch
Muller aluminum flywheel

182/122 to the wheels in a B16a: no doubt this was not his final build but an understanding of where it was none the less

http://www.g-speed.com/pbh/b16a/#dyno

 

Its basically: increase compression, ported head, cams and tuning

 

Why are you stuck on the 81 stock bore? I recommend saving your money and going with a golden eagle 85mm monster sleeve kit for $700 and some 12:1 pistons for $400. Then all you have left is injectors and some big cams. I guarantee you will easily be north of 200 whp. Trying to get 200+whp from 81 mm will be more expensive for you in the long run, than sleeving

 

looky here..
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=274139
not quite 200whp, but we all know its hard to do with the short 'slow squish' b16a

 

At the time I did not have enough $$$ to sleeve the block so I just ordered 12.5:1 cr pistons. I agree with you. Trying to get 200whp from a 81mm bore is expensive. Now I am looking to do either one of three things: 1. sleeve my B16 block to 84.5mm 2. find a B18c shortblock or 3. If money permits (damn school ) find a B18c shortblock and sleeve that to 84.5mm. My Jun3 head with a sleeved 84.5 B18c block would be pretty sick (220+whp)

 

My friend has a B16A and hit 209 whp all motor
70mm throttle body, port matched ITR intake manifold and port and polished head with stong valvesprings and tit. retainers.. skunkworks stage 2 cams, ICEMAN intake, cam gears, ITR 4-1 w/ 2.5 inch collector, no cat, 2.5 exhaust all the way back custom made carbon fiber, vafc, stock ignition, PYR chip w/ stage 2, aem underdrive pullies, 10.6:1 compression, retarded ignition timing, breather, coolant bypass... i think i covered it all....

it's a USDM '96 B16A2 in a nice little '97 Black Hatch DX.

 

Can you not stroke that engine with the b18 rods and whatnot?

 

Sure you can stroke it. 1.8 crank will do the trick.

I'd say it would be insane to say you have the 1.6 with over 200 WHP. Not easy though.

I'm suprized no one has mentioned ITB's??

Individual Throttle Bodies have been known to make gobs of power, and some say they are streetable, others don't. Might wanna look into that though...

You could easily bolt on a turbo kit, no internal mods, no tunning, and have close too 200 WHP. Tune it, fuel mods, etc. and you'll have a safe 200+ WHP on a stock B16A.

Your call man.

 

I want 200 whp for several reasons. I originally wanted to do this build to compete against Foo, or at least in the same class. I see it can be done but will require some major tuning, that is if some of these posts aren't fake. You are right though about going up in bore or to a B18C block. That would be easy to get 200 whp from.