So i jsut obught a new civic(91 si) but it came with no seatbelts. i was gonna buy some new stock ones but the cheapest around here i can find are 200$ a side(so 400$) total. i call bull crap on this price so i started looking aftermarket.

the nrg 4 point harness was one that grabbed my attention but having never intalled anything othern then stocvk before was wonderin fo someone could tell me if i NEED a harness bar and if the back side of the harness is long enugh to rach the ground from the back side of the seat to where the back seat mounts screw in to the floor?

 

Check on the for sale thread on the top of this section. U can probably find some there. As far as the nrg seatbelts go. I'm pretty sure u need a roll bar that goes behind ur seat to install racing seatbelts. But I've seen some sabelt seatbelts buckle onto the rear seat bUckles also. Do a lil research on racing seatbelt installation

 

I would recommend a 5pt. harness. I have a 4 point and whenever i tighten up the shoulder straps, it pulls up on the lap belt to where its on my stomach and not my waist.

I took the nuts that my harness' bolts screwed into and welded them to the rear drivers floor board, but I also dont have any carpet.

 

so been looking around for ever for information on this and i found some.
its for an install with piks, for an instal woth out a harness bar just thought id post it up for anyone else

http://www.takataracingproducts.com/guide.html


should work great in my civic ill post up some piks when i get it installed

 

i would recommend you just get some OEM belts from the yard...

dont trust your life to that crap.

 

well i dont really have spare parts yard close to me and when i do go there its rare to find anything under 91 that hasent been ripped apart and im not paying how much i quoted for a new belt from a dealership.

i dont see why i shouldnt trust a harness based on the fact that i install it correctly

 

a harness is part of a system that includes at minimum a rollbar and race seat.

i couldnt consider it "properly installed" otherwise.

the stock seat was made to be used with a stock 3pt belt system.

look harder.

 

My CRX door mounted seat belts do not lock up.....at all. My logic is that something is better than nothing.

If you are going really fast or roll over, it wont make a difference what seatbelt you are wearing. (sure a FULL roll cage would help) The chassis just falls apart on impact and this has been documented by the 2-star crash safety rating and many real world incidents.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-acura-28/crx-crashes-1825642/
http://crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.ph...=40851&start=0

So Tyson, although you are correct in everything you have said, helping him get a 4pt. installed as good as it can be is better than using 20+ year old sun-faded and dry rotted crap from a junkyard.

Just my .02

 

look, ive seen BMW's crumpled like that and unfortunately passengers killed.

ive also seen CRX's crumpled and thankfully passengers have walked or were ok afterwards.

the point is that showing pics and incidents of folks killed in a CRX isnt all that relevant to be honest.

that being said, if he wants a 4pt or any harness, he needs a race seat with holes in the back so that the torso doesnt just slide right thru the middle of the two shoulder straps, and he needs proper anchors from a roll bar.

a 3pt harness wont have this issue and will work with the stock seat.

so get a proper working set.

and btw, ppl have gone back to the dealership and played the lifetime warranty card and got their way with NEW belts to replace their old and worn out sets. im sure they got a lot of resistance from the dealer, but ive heard i being successful.

 

nope, had a co-worker do it w/o incident. most stories i hear just involve the dealer having to order parts.

OP - ditch the 4 pt. harness idea. as Tyson stated, it's supposed to be used in conjunction with a roll cage/harness bar and racing seat. i've seen lots of people use them outside of their intended purpose

i suggest buying a used set from someone parting out their car and then going to the dealer and having them replaced

 

k well got it installed i went with rci (racers choice inc.) instead looks like better quality. and tyson yes it makes a huge diffrence then having an old seatbelt comapred to a brand new one. its saftey dude and well common sence says 3 points is szfe but 6 points is safer (in a nut shell) especially when you compare the technology they had when the cars where first made(mines a 91 so either way the years 88-91) that like 19 years old.

and it has been installed correctly with out a harness bar. it is possible do some research and a bit of common sence.

and having the si seats in my civic it has those shoulder cuffs by the headrest.... its like honda new something. either way there installed. if you cant handle that then dont post(not being a jerk im just sayin if it really is a bother for people then i encourage them to go buy a harness bar a racing seat and a # point harness and take it where ever to have installed.

anyways ill have some picks up by the weekend for everyone to see and for future readers

 

more power to you

 

:D

 

darwinism at it's best i see.. harnesses plus stock seats equal fail. glad you THINK that you are safe.

 

Tyson, I understand that showing accidents out of context means little, but I am pretty sure that many of these accidents would still have been fatal even with a "properly installed" bolt-in roll bar and harness.

Did you even read the post? He went from sock seat and NO seat belt, to at least having some sort of carcass retention system.

My point is you are NEVER safe in an EF, But at least he is SAFER than he was without a belt.

 

If if's and buts were candy and nuts...

Fixed.

The point you’re missing is that he should have just gotten the stock seat seatbelts instead of thinking he’d be safer with a 4-point harness. If he didn’t have seatbelts before then he shouldn’t have been driving. Atleast that’s what my logic dictates.

 

theres a diffrence between logic and facts. the fact is legally to drive i need a seatbelt.

second,logic does not prove that a stock seatbelt is safer then an aftermarket one wether it be a 3,4,5 or 6 point and vice versa. a safe "seatbelt" or deffinition of a seatbelt is a restraint. clearly there are unsafe ways to wear/install seatbelts. Thats where common sence, research and intelligence come in to play. im not gonna g buy a harness bar a racing seat and harness just casue some company tells me i need it to be safe for all i know there just trying to sell product and could care less about my saftey as long as they get paid. let alone its one person's/companys opinion on the matter, im gonna research this and be smart about. its not a hard concept. and if there is one thing ive learned especially in north america its that most people jsut go by word of ear rather then actully looking in to it. not saying you guys do that casue ths is clearly on of the best forums out there but still no one is perfect.

and i would hope that people on here understand that money does get tight so for 1 but not the main reason the 6point was cheaper then spening almost double on a stock seatbelt.

2. 6 point harness is safer then no seatbelt at all
3. rathern then most of you just sayin its not safe. clearly your just saying this becasue its called a "racing harness" and its needs "racing seats" you cleary have not done anyresearch in to this or jsut took a few peoples words for it and left it at that.
4. think about this properly how it gets installed the waist buckle is the exact same on a 4 or 6 point harness as the stock seat they both have the same angle as a stock or aftermarket.
5. each person is intitled to there own opinion but:

^^^ this just makes you sound dumb. i dont mean to insult but have you even taken a car on to a track before? let alone have you even seen the design of si seats in a civic before? look them over do some research.(basic common sence dictates that your never 100% safe when driving a vehicle you just feel safe,although there are ways to make it safer) and E-AT_me get some respect dude i dont appreciate being insulted be someone that cant even stand by there own posting gtfo of post somthing usefull

6. i can tell you im not the first person to do this proper mounting and harness setup does NOT require a harness bar. although a bar is recomended it is not needed based on application which can vary, and in my case it fits the "application" its a daily driver/mild track car the 6 point is not unneccessary maybe over kill when compared to other harnesses like a 4 point but thats my choice

7. if it does not seem safe to you great dont install one that way in your car fact is with proper installation it is safe and is a proven fact. im not saying this there is information all over the web proving this.

please dont mock my intelligence and compare me to darwinism for all you know your much dumber then me
no disrespect either

 

when does spelling come into play?

 

Anyways, Back on topic..... We could argue about which seat belt is "safer" all day long. Point is that the OP now has some level of protection that was not there before.

Everyone seems to forget what these cars tend to do when involved in a serious impact. Say what you want about seat belts but they will do little to prevent the much bigger problems of the car not being very strong.

 

if you read my signature i HAVE a 1991 civic Si.. i ALSO have a miata track car. been on track for over 4 years now. the whole issue with your "proper" harness mounts are the fact that the stock seat can't take the stresses where the harness has been laid. i have NEVER EVER seen a reclining seat in a RACE car for the simple fact that the point at where the seat is bolted together is a stress point when used WITH a race harness. that's fine. whatever. you can use it. oh yeah, how does the 6 point buckle? cam lock? buckle? latch and link? fact is, no red button not DOT legal. therefore it IS just like driving without a seatbelt, according to the law.. i haven't been around for 10 years for nothing MY FRIEND. maybe you should pay attention to people who have been here a while, NO DISRESPECT...

oh yeah, if you EVER ran with any of the organizations that i run with, you would NOT pass tech inspection.. plain and simple.

so your harness setup isn't legal for street use, and isn't legal for track use where i live. sounds like it's pretty illegal and useless to me..

 

i agree am not not gonna argue anymore


fact is its done, its legal and its safe period