hello everybody im kinda new on here not to new to hondas tho
i got a build started after selling my VW to rejoin the honda fam but im still collecting parts and i need help deciding on a few?
my horsepower goal is hopefully 210whp in a 94 db7 tegg im goin to be using a gsr trans non lsd =/ sorry to broke for that right now
but alrighty here is sum of what i have and what will be ordered within the next few weeks maybe months! lol
BLOCK
bored 84.5mm
ycp's at about 12:1 cr
micro polished crank
stock rods arp rod bolts
acl race bearings
arp head studs
full race or golden eagle vtec kit
HEAD
b16
oem headgasket
light port and polished by me
3angle valve job
supertech dual valvesprings and OEM rsx retainers?(still doubtful any input appreciated)
type-r (cams for now)

all on chipped and tuned p28
so what i need help on is choosing a proper clutch and flywheel setup that wont be overkill, injector size, (will moded ep3 injectors be enough?),fuel pump, intake mani, throttle body(how big?), header and exhaust system that will let my setup work as best possible any other things i may need?
car will be staying all motor getting cam and cam gears after i save more to hopefully break 225? maybe 230whp

 

cams are going to be your biggest power maker. if you have the cr to run big cams you need to do it to make power. itr cams max out usually around 190-200 ish. skunk2 tuner 3s will make good power with your setup but they are a bit peaky, but you will still have lots of low end due to the cr and displacement.

 

the rsx retainer thing is brand new to me, is this what people are running now days with the aftermarket dual valve springs? they fit properly and don't have any issues?

 

they fit properly and have no issues at all except i have no idea if u run a really large cam.. I amm running them on my b16 head.

 

well, i bring it up because i have supertech dual valve springs but no retainers yet... and i wont run ti retainers so i was curious if the rsx retainers would hold up against some skunk2 pro 1 cams in my lsv? 3 layer oem head gasket with pr3 rs machines pistons 81.50mm

obviously if the rsx retainers wont work then ill have to sell the supertech springs and go with a whole new crower valve train that comes with chromoly retainers versus ti

i bet the rsx retainers might not match up in size (outer diameter) to the supertech springs anyway, do they?

 

im not sure where i found out but 2002-2004 rsx-s retainers will work fine with dual valve springs. correct me if im wrong please

how do tuners stage 3 compare to say a pro stage 2? does anyone know if my retainer choice will hold up?

i think for intake mani and throttle body im goin to go with blox its alot cheaper than the rest of the brands and looks like i can reach my goal using them
and for header how do you think the hytech replica big tube header will do using this setup?

 

Like buddy said a larger cam would help and the ycp's make enough comp that you could go bigger, injectors should be 310 or bigger but I would run DSM injectors.

 

i am running the rsx retainers on supertech springs. just get the correct ones. If i remmeber there are 2 types. i cant find the part number for the ones i got. Theres a thread here on ht wich shows wich ones to get.

 

OP get rdx 410CC injectors. I am running them on my mildly built b18c1 with itr slugs and stock everything else and love them. What tunning program/ecu are you going to use.?

 

heres the part number for the correct ones.
14765-PRB-A00

and the link that i got it from.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/supertech-dual-valve-spring-pro2s-3s-questions-2873529/

 

get a gsr head instead of a b16 head the gsr head will yield a higher compression

 

igorka 91 thank you your thread had a lot of answers i was looking for

i do plan to go bigger cams but money is tight right now im going to go for the dr100's as i plan to get pro 2's or something similar a little down the road

as for tuning im unsure yet i have a p28 already i probably will go with crome or ectune everything else looks out of my price range

the modified ep3 injectors will flow at about 490cc and are said to flow exelently its a cheaper route for me

how safe is it to run a stock head with that high of compression and itr cams? looking at my bank account the build might take longer than i thought and i would like to drive the car meanwhile i stack sum more cash and hopefully collect all the parts for my head including cams and cam gears
bottom end is pretty much taken care of for now
thanks for all the replies everyone

 

no problemos.
i would wait and save up and build it right the first time. why take it apart later on and redo it again. Thats the main reason its taking me over a year to build my b20v except mines will have over 13.x:1 CR and on e85.

As for the rdx injectors. You can make then over 500cc by turning up the fuel presure. Butt for youre build. Stock 38psi fuel presure will be more then enough IMO. And about the itr cams. I am running around 11ish CR right now on stock gsr cams. It would be fine as long as u have a tune and not a map of someones guess work to run youre engine. Also invest in a widebando2 sensor and look up how they work.

 

ya, i was told its the softer set of dual springs that work which just so happens to be the set i have so i was told itll work perfect for the skunk2 pro 1's or pro 2's i wanna run...

supertech dual valve springs (softer set, i believe they are 70lbs instead of 85lbs and 02-04 rsx type s retainers... the a00 flat style instead of the a01 which are the dish style retainers...

im ordering the rsx typse s flat style 02-04 retainers tomorrow and dropping the head off at the machine shop when they come in to let them swap out the stock retainers with the rsx ones.. the supertech springs are already in the head and all i have left to do is to buy the pro 1's or pro 2's and i should be able to make some pretty good power with the 1.8 lsv im building

 

i was told the supertech spr-h1002d set (which is the softer set, 70lbs) would work perfect with the rsx a00 retainers.. this was told to me by another member on here that is currently running them and ran them with blox c's and from what i can tell he has been around the block more than a few times and knows his stuff.. he saved me a lot of time and money by letting me know exactly what would work with the softer set of valve springs but its my understanding that 70lbs seat pressure combined with the rsx a00 retainers is more than enough for pro 1's so apparently both sets of supertech valve springs will work with the a00 rsx retainers? the h1002d and the h100dr?

 

ok, so this has me worried though....

i found this here on h-t

Supertech B-Series Valve Springs PN SPR-H1002D-KIT
Variable or Linear: Linear
Seat Pressure: ???
Max Lift: 12.5mm
Coil Bind 19.5mm
Pressure @ 12mm/.472" lift: 190lbs

so i take it its not a good idea to run a cam over 12.5mm lift? cus if thats the case thats weird that mar was running these intentionally with his blox c's

alright, i just wanna know whats right cus i just found this from IPG, obviously ill be trying to contact supertech tomorrow but i find different specs everywhere i go...


Description

Supertech Performance Dual Valve Springs for B Series Vtec Engines.

spr-h1002d -- Supertech Dual Valve Springs, All Motor and Low Boost Turbo -- Most Popular
Will Fit B Series Vtec. B17a, B16a, B18c, B18c1, B18c5.
Outer Spring -- 29.05mm OD -- 21.85mm ID
Inner Spring -- 20.50mm OD -- 15.50mm ID
70 lbs seat pressure -- 70 lbs @ 33.50mm
14.00mm Max Net Lift
19.50mm Coil Bind
10.00 lbs/mm Rate

 

It looks like ill be able to run almost any cam i want within reason.. i just wanna know weather i should go with the regular stage 2's with a little less lift but more duration or pro 1's with more lift but less duration.. from what ive been reading... typically people just plain and simple get more power with the pro 1's... decisions decisions, hey also do you guys know if the precision saturated injectors will install without needing anything else clips etc... cus i need to pick up some 310's or higher just to make sure my tuner gets all the power that he can out of my motor, any recommendations besides rc's? like these for example.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Acura...Q5fAccessories

 

afterhours209 did you get to contact supertech?

it looks like the spr-h1002d will even handle some pro 2's

are these the ones that will work with the rsx retainer?

 

rdx 410 cc injectors. Got mines for 175 with toyota clips and upper red spacers. The lower spacers were 26$ machined and shipped from rosko racing.

 

sweet! i might go that route too.. i can get the rdx injectors at cost so we'll see... still trying to contact supertech but as far as the softer 70lbs springs working with the rsx retainers... they do.. mar from here on h-t has been running them along with a few other people... from what i can tell though but im not sure i think you can use either set of supertech springs... but i know the 70lbs set is for sure

 

yeah and they're OEM quality with a "really good" spray pattern from what people have told me and research. GL with the springs lol.

 

alright so i wanna use the rdx injectors, can you send me a link or let me know who to call to get everything i need to go with the injectors.. the injectors themselves ill order from honda directly but i need the clips and whatever else, thanks!

also, whats the part number for the rdx injectors that i need, thanks!

I tried going to roskoracing.com but the b_series page is down and i couldnt really find out how to order anything, if he would fix his site.. he would make a lot more money.

hey, why wouldnt you just order this kit instead of doing the toyota thing.... http://www.xenocron.com/rdx-adapter-...5529f693573989

 

hit up rosko on here an he will reply to u shortly. i went trough him to get my lower spacers wich were 26 $ shipped.

uuhh because i got my injectors and toyota clips for 175 with upper spacers. that alone is 120 for some clips and wires and upper spacers. get the flow lol.

for the toyota clips. any 1.8L or 2.0L clips will work butt dont quote me on that. I got an extra set if ure around sac that i can sell. Get the injectors from delray acura and hundai in florida. They have reat prices.

here is the rdx injector thread- https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/anyone-using-acura-rdx-injectors-410cc-%2437ea-1871137/

the upper spacers-
http://www.xenocron.com/rdx-injector...5529f693573989

 

yea, i need those clips from you if they will work the exact same as the clips on xeno's site... im not interested in repinning anything or anything like that.. just want a plug and play set up.. i am in the sac area though and it would help out a lot if i could save a buck.. because your right.. the xeno plug and play wires are way over priced so if i could have you help me out with the plug and play clips part that would be awesome, i already have the injectors on their way so they should be at my house by monday or tuesday

 

those damn rsx type s retainers are on back order nation wide so im going to see if the crower chromolys will work with the supertech dual springs