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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 07:02 PM
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okay so i have a 89 civic hatch std with a 91 d16a6 swap in it and im about to come up on a z6 swap. Im gonna keep the si tranny but what about the axles i dont know if theyre si axles or std axles. Now i want to know if i do the z6 swap do i need to use different axles?do i have to Swap spindles for the z6 swap? If i can use the same ones? And how can i tell if theyre si or std axles? and what clutch to use? pressure plate? flywheel?
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 07:10 PM
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keep your current axles. remember the axles are supposed to match the transmission, not the motor. mainly because they attach to the transmission.

so keep the ones you have now and you will be fine.

if you use the flywheel from your a6 motor then use a clutch set up for the A6 motor. do this and you will be ok.
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 07:10 PM
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if you are keeping the same trans you can retain whatever axles you are using. The Z6 bolts directy to that transmission. For engine placement in that chassis the only difference is the timing belt side mount gets replaced with the A6 mount bracket and mount. This mount does, however, sit inside the chassis mount somewhat crooked though. Not to worry it still works.
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 08:59 PM
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timing belt mount?
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 09:02 PM
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he is talking about the bracket that bolts onto the motor behind the timing belt cover. you MUST reuse the one from your D16A6 motor so you can bolt on your stock mount. otherwise the EG mount will not fall into the stock location on your car.
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 09:04 PM
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and one of the axles boots are torn so how i do id them?
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 09:12 PM
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just make sure when you buy the axles, you buy 89-91 SI axles. i am almost positibe 88 si transmissions were different.
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 10:27 PM
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88 trannys were different i think op is selling one use the same axles for the tranny a6 and use the a6 clutch and flywheel and pressure plate match errything to the tranny gl
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 06:30 AM
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Before you buy axles you might want to confirm whether or not you still have the STD hubs on your car.

Originally Posted by hush22
For engine placement in that chassis the only difference is the timing belt side mount gets replaced with the A6 mount bracket and mount. This mount does, however, sit inside the chassis mount somewhat crooked though. Not to worry it still works.

I have a Z6 block in my hatch and I don't see anything crooked about it.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/how-d16z6-block-d16a6-head-2754616/
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hush22
For engine placement in that chassis the only difference is the timing belt side mount gets replaced with the A6 mount bracket and mount. This mount does, however, sit inside the chassis mount somewhat crooked though. Not to worry it still works.
mine sits fine also its not crooked at all
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 08:23 AM
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is there a specific size i should look for on the spindles? and i actually have a spare 88 si and 89 si tranny and the 91 thats already in the ef
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Old Apr 7, 2011 | 12:17 PM
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mine sits fine also its not crooked at all
The single cam EF mount it self with the Z or Y block will sit inside the chassis mount slightly off center.

Im letting him know this if he notices it after or during the swap. It will work and be fine. If you go with an after market mount like Hasport it will be more noticable and may make the install slightly more difficult.

Innovative has solve this issue as seen here :

http://www.innovativemounts.com/Prod...ductCode=49151

Now this mount kit is for a hydro trans however this makes no difference in terms of the drivers side when using Z or Y blocks. This is just more comfirmation that I know what Im talking about.
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Old Apr 7, 2011 | 12:19 PM
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and also need help with the wiring too so i called the state ref and they did not know what i was talking about when i mention having to convert the wiring from obd0 to 1. Now i need knowledge from people that have passed ref with a ef z6 swap and how they pulled it off. with the wiring. i keep hearing from people they use jumper harnesses. I just want to do this swap without spitting out a grip of money
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Old Apr 7, 2011 | 12:24 PM
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Talk to Mike at Southwestern Referee station. Get it from the man himself. I always hear conflicting stories, best thing to do is to talk the actual ref who is going to do the inspection. He's actually there to help (and he does, he knows his Honda specific stuff too).
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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 10:01 AM
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This is a picture of what Im talking about. This is Bisi's Wagovan using Hasport mounts. The engine is a Z block reusing the 88-91 D block engine mount "L" bracket.

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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 11:25 AM
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dude thats pricey but its just that mount that i need cuz i want to keep my cable si tranny just need that one right anyone got one laying around? and still looking for my z6

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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by hush22
The single cam EF mount it self with the Z or Y block will sit inside the chassis mount slightly off center.

Im letting him know this if he notices it after or during the swap. It will work and be fine. If you go with an after market mount like Hasport it will be more noticable and may make the install slightly more difficult.

Innovative has solve this issue as seen here :

http://www.innovativemounts.com/Prod...ductCode=49151

Now this mount kit is for a hydro trans however this makes no difference in terms of the drivers side when using Z or Y blocks. This is just more comfirmation that I know what Im talking about.
we solved that issue in 2008 and we have a mount for that application EFD2LH

that picture you posted is actually the wrong way to do it since it is the 88-91 block bracket with an EFLH
now i know you worked on bisi's wagon and why he didnt use the hydro block bracket and the EFD2LH i dont know

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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 11:53 AM
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i dont see it at hasport EFD2LH and theres not much info on this
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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 12:00 PM
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EFD2LH



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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 12:02 PM
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and whats that price
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Old Apr 8, 2011 | 12:50 PM
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EFD2LH $99 plus shipping
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Hasport
we solved that issue in 2008 and we have a mount for that application EFD2LH

that picture you posted is actually the wrong way to do it since it is the 88-91 block bracket with an EFLH
now i know you worked on bisi's wagon and why he didnt use the hydro block bracket and the EFD2LH i dont know
I honestly couldnt tell you. Perhaps he A: didnt know about the new mount (which I didnt either) or B: got a good deal on these.

I ve always have been a fan of Hasport,these mounts are beautiful!
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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AlfieRoach
dude thats pricey but its just that mount that i need cuz i want to keep my cable si tranny just need that one right anyone got one laying around? and still looking for my z6
You don't need to buy a new mount... So many people re-use their old mounts...
Here in Canada there is no STD transmission. Canadian axles are all the same!
STD is a 4 spd w/70hp, would assume the axles aren't as strong or big.
Si transmission = DX/Si spindles + axles
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Old Apr 10, 2011 | 11:19 AM
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Hasport nor I were suggesting he needed new mounts. I was just letting him know how the mount would fit using a Z block retro fitting the 88-91 block bracket. The use of the picture with Bisi's wagon what the only picture I had available to show this.

I personally will be using Hasport EFD2LH on my person vehicle in the future.
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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 06:15 AM
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I looked at the mount on my vehicle (stock mounts) and see what you're saying. I guess I just never noticed. I'll post a pic to show how bad it is (not bad really, still works but yeah it's not straight).
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