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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 12:02 AM
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I'm going to be running

TSW Nurburgrings 17x9 with 255 star spec's at all four
HKS Hipermax Sport 3 coilovers(13/11)

I was planning on running the Euro spec alignment but that was before I bought the non-staggered set-up. What would you guys recommend? Car is going to mainly be driven on nice days with some spirited driving and possible autox or lap days in the future..
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 07:22 PM
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bump, in for recommendations
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 08:12 PM
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I personally run Front= 6.4 deg caster, -2 deg camber and 1/32" toe IN on each side so 1/16" total toe IN...... Rear= -3 deg camber and 1/16" toe IN on each side so 1/8 total toe IN. I really want to run -2.5 deg camber up front because at the track i still eat the outside tread of my tires. I'm running 255/40 all around on 17x9 +45 rpf1. In all it has been a good setup for the track and street for me.
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Old Mar 23, 2011 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Muay_Thaierd
I personally run Front= 6.4 deg caster, -2 deg camber and 1/32" toe IN on each side so 1/16" total toe IN...... Rear= -3 deg camber and 1/16" toe IN on each side so 1/8 total toe IN. I really want to run -2.5 deg camber up front because at the track i still eat the outside tread of my tires. I'm running 255/40 all around on 17x9 +45 rpf1. In all it has been a good setup for the track and street for me.
Any benefits seen from the toe adjustment? I would think that the inside edge would suffer from camber wear more than the outter edge. Are you sure the outter wear isn't attributed to your toe specs?
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 04:49 AM
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 05:06 AM
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nah hes speaking the truth cause in a corner under load the tire evens out, im guessing in his case -2 upfront isnt enough and the tire is getting eatin up on the outside. look at a pic of a gt/touring car they r runnin some crazy camber cause they want as big of a contact patch as possible while corner
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Old Mar 24, 2011 | 07:02 AM
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Any benefits seen from the toe adjustment? I would think that the inside edge would suffer from camber wear more than the outter edge. Are you sure the outter wear isn't attributed to your toe specs?
Under hard cornering, the wheel actually evens out upfront (less neg camber) and sometimes gets a little postive camber when attacking a corner really aggressively. As for my toe, yes it is aggressively but I set them at 1/32" toe IN each side because as you are driving, the wheels will actually "push out" and will see 0" toe while in motion which I want in terms of handling. I wanted to set them at 0" toe but that will just eat the tires up very quckly because while in motion, the wheels will see toe OUT. Yes toe is what eats tires but toe is where alot of handling characteristics can be manipulated. Also I believe that the UK specs, which are great, call for 0" toe.
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Old Mar 27, 2011 | 11:17 PM
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Wow I thought this thread was going to go no where after seeing zero post after a couple days.

The s2k is going to mainly just going to be daily driven with some spirited driving for the next year, so I don't want to go 2 crazy on overall camber. I was thinking about the Euro Spec with half a degree of negative camber more in the front.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 06:59 AM
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I'm daily driven on 255's all the way around on some 17x8.5 volk se37k's (+40 offset).

I rolled my fenders and relocated the rear tab. I'm running an 1/8" toe up with -2.2 camber in the front. The rear is set at -1.8 camber. I have zero rubbing issues.
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 07:10 AM
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I plan on running 17x9 non staggered with 255 and coilovers, what other suspension parts are needed and recommended for the track?
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 07:35 AM
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I plan on running 17x9 non staggered with 255 and coilovers, what other suspension parts are needed and recommended for the track?
Sway bars will do wonders. rear strut bar/ tie bar (the one you remove for exhaust installs) could be advisable too. Front strutbar will be more or less useless.


I can't wait to get mine back to play around with suspension settings
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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by .Ryan
I plan on running 17x9 non staggered with 255 and coilovers, what other suspension parts are needed and recommended for the track?
I'd highly recommend tracking your car before your mods to get a feel for it. I'm personally running 255's all the way around and by doing so, I decidided against sway bars. A front sway bar makes the car feel great, but I saw a bigger gain with my 255 setup opposed to my buddies stock wheel setup with a sway bar.

It really depends on what your wanting to do as far as tracking. If this is going to be a street car that you take to the track every now and again, I say hold off on the sway bar. Some of the sway bars on the market make a good bit of noise and can be annoying for a DD.

Originally Posted by dagle
Sway bars will do wonders. rear strut bar/ tie bar (the one you remove for exhaust installs) could be advisable too. Front strutbar will be more or less useless.


I can't wait to get mine back to play around with suspension settings
I agree that sway bars do wonders, I do feel the biggest gain will be noticed in the tire setup though.
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Muay_Thaierd
Under hard cornering, the wheel actually evens out upfront (less neg camber) and sometimes gets a little postive camber when attacking a corner really aggressively. As for my toe, yes it is aggressively but I set them at 1/32" toe IN each side because as you are driving, the wheels will actually "push out" and will see 0" toe while in motion which I want in terms of handling. I wanted to set them at 0" toe but that will just eat the tires up very quckly because while in motion, the wheels will see toe OUT. Yes toe is what eats tires but toe is where alot of handling characteristics can be manipulated. Also I believe that the UK specs, which are great, call for 0" toe.
UK specs call for 0 toe in the FRONT...the rear calls for .16* on each side.

My car is set to UK specs, which are as follows
Front:
Camber -1.5*
Caster 6.75*
Toe 0*

Rear:
Camber -2.5*
Toe .16*

My car handles well...I had a long trip to take one time and I had the toe taken out of the rear, and while going through a mild turn at mildly higher than advised speeds, the rear end tried to step out on me.

The first thing I did was take it back and have the toe added back in.
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