Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) EG/EH/EJ/EK/EM1 Discussion

B16b swap in ek coupe help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 5, 2011 | 03:51 PM
  #1  
javifunksEK's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
From: miami
Default B16b swap in ek coupe help

Whats up honda peeps... So here's the deal i got an ek coupe 96 and im swapping a b16b ctr complete in there... I got innovated mounts but what else do i need to finish this build, other than the b series axels and t bar for the rear mount... And is this the right choice of motor since im a type r fan but cant afford the b18 one...
Reply
Old Mar 5, 2011 | 08:11 PM
  #2  
ReDHaTcHyGuy's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,135
Likes: 0
From: Hagerstown, MD
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

if it a coupe its a ej not ek... lol is it a ex or dx? a wiring harness from 96-98 ex will bolt right up to the motor perfect.. i assume the b16b u have is from a similar year ctr.?
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 10:10 AM
  #3  
javifunksEK's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
From: miami
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

is ex non abs but the motor is coming with a wire hardness...
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 12:08 PM
  #4  
ReDHaTcHyGuy's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,135
Likes: 0
From: Hagerstown, MD
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

is the harness it is coming from another 96-98 civic or is it the JDm harness? im not 100% sure cause its been a while but i think the JDM rhd harness is alittle diff and you should use your ex harness..
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 02:02 PM
  #5  
Deetz's Avatar
Crazy Honda Guy
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,025
Likes: 19
From: Calgary, AB, Canada
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

You will need the drivers side engine post mount for any b series swap into that car.

Since you asked about engine choice, i will give my opinion......

I would not at all waste your time money with the B16B. It is still a 1.6L with no torque what so ever, and has only high end zip.

For the money, you could source a B20Z. It is under rated in power. Real world power is about 160hp and 146 ft lbs tq. It's power band comes right off of idle all th way to redline and would be much more enjoyable to drive.

Yes, i have owned both engines, so this is not a bias opinion
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 02:09 PM
  #6  
-__-'s Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 847
Likes: 0
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

^^won't the motor already come with the post mount? since its out of an EK chassis already? i would assume so.

Also, you will need use your STOCK EX harness for the swap. The JDM harness won't work (because it is made for right-hand drive vehicles)

good luck with your swap!
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 02:35 PM
  #7  
Deetz's Avatar
Crazy Honda Guy
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,025
Likes: 19
From: Calgary, AB, Canada
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

Originally Posted by -__-
^^won't the motor already come with the post mount? since its out of an EK chassis already? i would assume so.
ha ha, your right, the B16b would have that post mount already, forgot about that
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 03:01 PM
  #8  
javifunksEK's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
From: miami
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

yeah thats what they told me is rhd hardness i guess what i can do is order the motor with ex hardness or an si hardness ek obviesly... About the engine choice remember the b16b comes with 185 couple of mods here and there baller mods obviesly lol could get u to 220 to 240 kind of quick...
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 03:15 PM
  #9  
94EG8's Avatar
Seagull Management
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 15,150
Likes: 26
From: Miramichi, NB, Canada
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

Originally Posted by javifunksEK
yeah thats what they told me is rhd hardness i guess what i can do is order the motor with ex hardness or an si hardness ek obviesly...
It doesn't work like that. You don't normally get any choice of harness. Keep the EX harness you have, you'll need to add some wires and lengthen some existing stuff, but it's a close fit. You can't use an Si harness in a '96 - '98 Civic.

Originally Posted by javifunksEK
About the engine choice remember the b16b comes with 185 couple of mods here and there baller mods obviesly lol could get u to 220 to 240 kind of quick...
Again, it doesn't work like that, unless you want to throw serious cash at it or turbo it (B16Bs are not exactly well designed for boost either) If you just want it because it's a type R, by all means go ahead, but in real world daily driving a GS-R will have a lot more usable power. CTR swaps are highly overrated IMO.
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 03:45 PM
  #10  
Deetz's Avatar
Crazy Honda Guy
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,025
Likes: 19
From: Calgary, AB, Canada
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

Originally Posted by javifunksEK
... About the engine choice remember the b16b comes with 185 couple of mods here and there baller mods obviesly lol could get u to 220 to 240 kind of quick...
ha ha, you would be lucky to spend $1500 and gain 10hp! 220-240 would happen under boost conditions only, which the b16b isn't designed for. You should do so more research

Originally Posted by 94EG8
CTR swaps are highly overrated IMO.
Exactly...great engine, but it isn't "that" great, more bragging rights than anything
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 04:53 PM
  #11  
ReDHaTcHyGuy's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,135
Likes: 0
From: Hagerstown, MD
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

you said u have a ex, just your the stock wiring harness for you single cam motor.. it will work just fine.. you'll have to extend the wires on a o2 sensor..
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 05:39 PM
  #12  
javifunksEK's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
From: miami
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

i sold the y8 with everything hardness and everything... So ima have to get a hardness again... Why cant i use an si hardness...
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 05:52 PM
  #13  
-__-'s Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 847
Likes: 0
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

*harness lol. and uhh you COULD use an Si harness but u will need to use an OBD2-B ECU because the Si harness is OBD2-B. UNLESS of course you use a jumper harness. i assume you will be using the CTR ECU?

side-comment: the B16B is my dream engine lol. just cuz it is a CTR motor
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 06:09 PM
  #14  
94EG8's Avatar
Seagull Management
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 15,150
Likes: 26
From: Miramichi, NB, Canada
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

Originally Posted by javifunksEK
i sold the y8 with everything hardness and everything... So ima have to get a hardness again... Why cant i use an si hardness...
Dude, the word is harness.

Originally Posted by -__-
*harness lol. and uhh you COULD use an Si harness but u will need to use an OBD2-B ECU because the Si harness is OBD2-B. UNLESS of course you use a jumper harness. i assume you will be using the CTR ECU?
Doesn't work like that, you can use an Si harness, but you need also swap the cabin harness for a '99 - '00 harness (except HX) this require removing the dash and just about everything under it including the pedals and heatercore. Jumper harness wont help in this situation. CTR ECUs are one of the very few JDM ECUs that came in an OBD2B variety, so depending on the year of the swap it may be OBD2A or OBD2B.
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 07:58 PM
  #15  
javifunksEK's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
From: miami
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

Kk so what if my ctr comes with obd2a what harness should i use or must i use for it to be plug n play......
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 11:03 PM
  #16  
-__-'s Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 847
Likes: 0
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

Originally Posted by 94EG8
Doesn't work like that, you can use an Si harness, but you need also swap the cabin harness for a '99 - '00 harness (except HX) this require removing the dash and just about everything under it including the pedals and heatercore. Jumper harness wont help in this situation. CTR ECUs are one of the very few JDM ECUs that came in an OBD2B variety, so depending on the year of the swap it may be OBD2A or OBD2B.
thanks for the correction!! didnt know about having to swap the cabin harness.

Last edited by 94EG8; Mar 7, 2011 at 06:48 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2011 | 11:35 PM
  #17  
98civdx's Avatar
Master Detailer
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 15,511
Likes: 22
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

Originally Posted by javifunksEK
Kk so what if my ctr comes with obd2a what harness should i use or must i use for it to be plug n play......
IF, the motor is OBD2A, you could the harness that would have came in your car.
Which would have been OBD2A.

A 96-98 harness will work, but a EX would be the easiest to use.

Not to be rude but you need to search. This information has been covered A LOT.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:37 AM
  #18  
javifunksEK's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
From: miami
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

yeah but is my first swap u know... i work in a shop and i been in this game for a while but i never got into covering the subject of obd2a or obd2b or which harness to use u know... Thanks for the info guys... Which website or shop would u guys recomend to get the motor in, i have a place but i could use some suggesions..
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 10:37 AM
  #19  
98civdx's Avatar
Master Detailer
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 15,511
Likes: 22
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

To buy the motor?
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 08:42 PM
  #20  
javifunksEK's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
From: miami
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

yeah to buy the motor i got a place call total jdm but if anyone can recomend me to a good one it would be a great help...
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:06 PM
  #21  
98civdx's Avatar
Master Detailer
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 15,511
Likes: 22
Default Re: B16b swap in ek coupe help

Hmotorsonline.com Take a look at the B18 swaps before you sink a ton of money into this B16B
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
delsol88
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
4
Oct 9, 2012 08:13 AM
93.2
Want to Buy
1
Mar 14, 2011 09:21 AM
maximusmda
Hybrid / Engine Swaps
6
Dec 2, 2009 07:59 AM
ek9tl
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
2
Jun 6, 2006 10:11 PM
str8drift
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
2
Aug 24, 2005 07:02 AM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:19 PM.