h22 ej1, dont wanna drop, what springs?
im still in the process of building my car. right now its at the body shop getting its new skin tone. its a 95 ex, i have a jdm h22 that im dropping in. i have purchased the Energy suspensions master kit, and a set of koni strt shocks/struts. i dont wanna drop my car and i dont want a stiff ride. i do however want to compensate for the added weight up front.
is their any springs that have a slightly higher spring rate that wont allow the car to ride raked? i would like a nice even stance with no more than a .750 drop all around if at all. stock height is fine with me. scrapping my exhaust isnt my type of thing.
any other suggestions would be great. btw... coilovers are out of the questoin.
thanks
adam jeffery
is their any springs that have a slightly higher spring rate that wont allow the car to ride raked? i would like a nice even stance with no more than a .750 drop all around if at all. stock height is fine with me. scrapping my exhaust isnt my type of thing.
any other suggestions would be great. btw... coilovers are out of the questoin.
thanks
adam jeffery
Hey Adam,
I'd take this as suggestive but here's what I'm thinking:
Because of the extra weight of the motor I'd stray away from springs because I'd think it would give you an uneven drop. If you went with a spring system such as eibach pro, tein h tech...etc... you'd most likely be looking at a drop of 1"+ in the front and .75 (at best) The spring kits your looking at are typically designed for cars w/a stock motor. Clearly the H22 is much heavier then the stock motor from your EJ1. Your car is gonna sit low in the front, and real high in the back.
I'd say koni/GC w/street spring rates (found in marketplace, etc...) At least you can level the car appropriately for your setup, and it doesn't need to be slammed.
In your situation I'd sell the str.t's and run w/the Koni/GC.
Just my $.02
I'd take this as suggestive but here's what I'm thinking:
Because of the extra weight of the motor I'd stray away from springs because I'd think it would give you an uneven drop. If you went with a spring system such as eibach pro, tein h tech...etc... you'd most likely be looking at a drop of 1"+ in the front and .75 (at best) The spring kits your looking at are typically designed for cars w/a stock motor. Clearly the H22 is much heavier then the stock motor from your EJ1. Your car is gonna sit low in the front, and real high in the back.
I'd say koni/GC w/street spring rates (found in marketplace, etc...) At least you can level the car appropriately for your setup, and it doesn't need to be slammed.
In your situation I'd sell the str.t's and run w/the Koni/GC.
Just my $.02
Last edited by PreyStayShun; Feb 10, 2011 at 01:22 PM.
thanks for your response. i was looking into tein h techs. they looked like they might fit the bill.
now im not 100% but i believe integra springs will work with civic shocks and struts and they should be heavier duty to handle the weight of the gsr. so im wondering if i bought Htechs for an integra if the spring rates would be diff then that of the civic.....
im going to go check..lol'
ive also looked into the k sport coil over kits but im not going to be racing or autox so i cant justify dropping a G or more on something that wont be used for its true purpose. i just want an even smooth ride...lol
adam
now im not 100% but i believe integra springs will work with civic shocks and struts and they should be heavier duty to handle the weight of the gsr. so im wondering if i bought Htechs for an integra if the spring rates would be diff then that of the civic.....
im going to go check..lol'
ive also looked into the k sport coil over kits but im not going to be racing or autox so i cant justify dropping a G or more on something that wont be used for its true purpose. i just want an even smooth ride...lol
adam
I've always thought it was funny that people worry about spring rates when they get newer bigger engines.
The h22 is MAYBE 30lbs heavier than a d-series. If you removed A/c or PS or both when you swapped in the h22 your front end might even be lighter than it was before the swap.
There's an old thread where someone weighed engine blocks and transmissions to bust this myth. B-series were about 5-6lbs heavier than D-series. And H-series were about 20-30lbs heavier than a d-series.
30lbs isn't going to make a noticeable difference. The only difference you might see with a regular h22 swap is that the engine might be over the axles unevenly. This problem is eliminated with an h2b swap.
The h22 is MAYBE 30lbs heavier than a d-series. If you removed A/c or PS or both when you swapped in the h22 your front end might even be lighter than it was before the swap.
There's an old thread where someone weighed engine blocks and transmissions to bust this myth. B-series were about 5-6lbs heavier than D-series. And H-series were about 20-30lbs heavier than a d-series.
30lbs isn't going to make a noticeable difference. The only difference you might see with a regular h22 swap is that the engine might be over the axles unevenly. This problem is eliminated with an h2b swap.
Weirdly enough, I bought integra tein s techs, and they lowered my 95 sedan more than if I would have bought the right ones. The H-techs looks pretty nice. Not much of a drop.
Why not just stick with stock suspension?
Why not just stick with stock suspension?
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because of the added weight up front do to the h22.
to the other poster concerning the weight diff. if honda increased spring rates for the heavier engines then i feel i should as well. irregardless of how much actual weight difference their is. i read the same post your talking about and cant find it either but i thought it was more like 125 lbs diff between the d series and h series but only like 75 lbs diff between the b series and h series.
i may be way wrong but ill know more once the engine is in and i see the stance.
thanks for the replies guys
adam jeffery
because of the added weight up front do to the h22.
to the other poster concerning the weight diff. if honda increased spring rates for the heavier engines then i feel i should as well. irregardless of how much actual weight difference their is. i read the same post your talking about and cant find it either but i thought it was more like 125 lbs diff between the d series and h series but only like 75 lbs diff between the b series and h series.
i may be way wrong but ill know more once the engine is in and i see the stance.
thanks for the replies guys
adam jeffery
so i did find the article and it states that the h is only 25 lbs heavier not including the cylinder heads which will be heavier. the poster believed about a 10 lbs diff. so around 35 lbs. their is no actual weight concerning fully assembled swaps but i feel their will be some added weight differences but no where near what i had in my head. i was thinking 125lbs but in reality it will be more like 50lbs. but that weight will be forward more so that wil have adverse effects as well.
as far as h2b...not for me for awhile. ill wait as i have so much money into my car right now without adding more into something i dont "need" right now
adam jeffery
thanks again guys
as far as h2b...not for me for awhile. ill wait as i have so much money into my car right now without adding more into something i dont "need" right now
adam jeffery
thanks again guys
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What proof do you have that honda increased spring rates because of increased engine weight?
Maybe they thought the integra was a sportier car therefore justified a stiffer springrate.
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