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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 03:48 PM
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Default 93 civic wont start- head gasket swap- help

93 civic coupe with a 94 b18b1

did a head gasket swap since mine blew.
resurfaced and new bolts in.
everything went back together perfectly.
BUT now the car wont start.

i reset the crank to cyl 1 TDC and cams to TDC
im maybe a tooth of but thats the absolute best i could do alone.

my issue is, the car just wont start, it cranks and it gets spark and fuel and air.
but i cant for the life of me get it to run.

ive read something about distributors, but i dont know anything about them.

so if anyone has ran into this problem before please help!
i need this car to run asap lol.

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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 04:14 PM
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bump for some info/input
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 04:40 PM
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 04:41 PM
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need some info badly
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 04:44 PM
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well first is to make sure it is in time a tooth off will make a difference and you said u got air fuel spark..make sure the injectors are firing using a noid light
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well first is to make sure it is in time a tooth off will make a difference and you said u got air fuel spark..make sure the injectors are firing using a noid light
will do the adjust.
but i dont have access to a noid light. is there a way to do it with out it?
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 04:50 PM
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well first is to make sure it is in time a tooth off will make a difference and you said u got air fuel spark..make sure the injectors are firing using a noid light
any chance its my distributor timing?
my freind who helped me do my HG swap
reset everything for me before he had to go to work.
but i ran into an issue with the timing belt and had to rest the cams
and i think thats where everything ****ed but.

so is there a chance when he set my dizz to TDC for cly1 is off now?
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 05:21 PM
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first thing I would do is make sure that the cyl #1 was at tdc and properly time the cams (should line up across each other and not be a tooth off and make sure that all are timed together. You can take the #1 cylinder spark plug out and stick a long skinny screwdriver to see when the piston goes all the way up to tdc and then check the pulley mark against the timing cover line and then check your timing gear marks to see if the cams are properly timed. Also IMO the dizz cannot be off that much to the point where it will not let it start so no the dizz would not be the issue Do you have all your grounds connected (all three-T-stat- the one next to the ps pump (valve cover to radiator support) and the one on top of the tranny?
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 05:37 PM
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first thing I would do is make sure that the cyl #1 was at tdc and properly time the cams (should line up across each other and not be a tooth off and make sure that all are timed together. You can take the #1 cylinder spark plug out and stick a long skinny screwdriver to see when the piston goes all the way up to tdc and then check the pulley mark against the timing cover line and then check your timing gear marks to see if the cams are properly timed. Also IMO the dizz cannot be off that much to the point where it will not let it start so no the dizz would not be the issue Do you have all your grounds connected (all three-T-stat- the one next to the ps pump (valve cover to radiator support) and the one on top of the tranny?
all the grounds are straight, i dont have a timing cover at all.. and i got a b16 pully.. sooo, im going off of useing my dipstick in cly1 to see when it moves to TDC then adjust cams.. i guess ill have to try and get them perfect. i couldnt imagine 1 tooth making it not start up tho.
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 05:43 PM
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Any chance that when your friend took the dizz/spark plug wires off and were put back that the firing order might have been changed?
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 05:57 PM
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Any chance that when your friend took the dizz/spark plug wires off and were put back that the firing order might have been changed?
yeah thats why i mentioned that, cause he said he took the dizzy off and set it to cly 1.. i dont know how he did it though
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 06:09 PM
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how do i set the dizzy back so it fires right
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since no timing cover, did you use the line etched on the crank's timing gear lined up with the mark on the oil pump at tdc and the cams lined up timed? also when you do have cyl 1 at tdc and the timing is all correct you can check the firing sequence by taking the dizz cap off and the rotor should be pointing to where the #1 spark plug wire should go on the cap and then you go clockwise with the firing order I believe its 1-4-3-2 but not too sure this is off the top of my head but you can search and find the firing order here on h-t
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fonkernuckle
since no timing cover, did you use the line etched on the crank's timing gear lined up with the mark on the oil pump at tdc and the cams lined up timed? also when you do have cyl 1 at tdc and the timing is all correct you can check the firing sequence by taking the dizz cap off and the rotor should be pointing to where the #1 spark plug wire should go on the cap and then you go clockwise with the firing order I believe its 1-4-3-2 but not too sure this is off the top of my head but you can search and find the firing order here on h-t
ill try that first thing tomorow.

i set the cly1 to TDC by taking my spark plug out and cranking it count clock wise till i saw my dipstick( thats in the cyl 1 spark plug hole ) go up all the way.
and the cams are all set to time, xcept intake is off 1 tooth. which ill reset tomrrow along with the dizzy and hope it works. preciate the info man
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Old Jan 28, 2011 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fonkernuckle
since no timing cover, did you use the line etched on the crank's timing gear lined up with the mark on the oil pump at tdc and the cams lined up timed? also when you do have cyl 1 at tdc and the timing is all correct you can check the firing sequence by taking the dizz cap off and the rotor should be pointing to where the #1 spark plug wire should go on the cap and then you go clockwise with the firing order I believe its 1-4-3-2 but not too sure this is off the top of my head but you can search and find the firing order here on h-t
also, i just reset my dizzy to cly 1 fire, but when i removed the rotor to spin it to cly 1, a metal flake fell out of it, and the metal inside the rotor is rusty, could that cause it to not start?
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 06:35 AM
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ive tried everything still wont fire.
cly1 is TDC. cams are TDC, i fixed the one that was a tooth off.
timing is dead on, and ive set the dizzy to cly1 over and over
and it never fires.
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 06:42 AM
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you got the firing order wrong. It is 1-3-4-2. Maybe that's the problem?
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 07:18 AM
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Check the plug wire arrangement on the distributor. This is easy to screw up.
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 08:09 AM
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Check the plug wire arrangement on the distributor. This is easy to screw up.
roger that ill try it
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 08:09 AM
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So when all is timed and at TDC and you looked at the rotor you started there (where it pointed to) with cylinder one plug wire on the cap and then proceeded with the rest of the plug wires from there clockwise as per firing order 1-3-4-2 and it still would not start?
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 08:29 AM
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you got the firing order wrong. It is 1-3-4-2. Maybe that's the problem?
thats what its set to.
wires and order is all correct, im getting spark, i check each plug and wire for spark.. it just seems that their sparking to late and not during the combustion stage.
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 08:30 AM
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So when all is timed and at TDC and you looked at the rotor you started there (where it pointed to) with cylinder one plug wire on the cap and then proceeded with the rest of the plug wires from there clockwise as per firing order 1-3-4-2 and it still would not start?
yep, eveything is set to TDC cyl1 and the rotor is set to fire cly1, and nothing.
the motor just turns and turns.. but doesnt start, i can smell the fuel too.
sooo im getting fuel and spark.
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 08:54 AM
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pull and clean your grounds, then bolt them back down. When my B18B1 did this it was the T stat ground not making good contact.
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Old Jan 29, 2011 | 09:26 AM
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pull and clean your grounds, then bolt them back down. When my B18B1 did this it was the T stat ground not making good contact.
jus did it, it ran, but still shitty, i think im a tooth off still
how can i get the cams to stay perfectly in place, the always jump a tooth when i go to slide on the belt, btw im doing this alone. so i dont have any extra hands to help... main reason why this is takin sucha long time

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Since you dont have the correct crank pulley, you cant truly rely on a dipstick for TDC, pull the crank pulley and lower timing cover and use the marks on the oil pump and crank sprocket to get your lower end lined up perfectly, line up cams, install timing belt and adjust tension. Then reinstall lower cover and crank pulley.
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