currently building my b16. with future plans of going poormans itr.

this is my current setup.

b16a2 w U.S. ls trans casing all B16 gears

head:
omni power valve springs and retainers
STOCK B16A2 exhaust cam STOCK B16B intake cam s2Pro gears.
STOCK B16A2 valves
ITR rep header
S2 pro intake manifold
stock TB
stock fuel setup
currently on ITR basemap. will be doing proper tuning on s200.

block:
STOCK B16 (swapping it out for gsr w ITR pistons)

trans:
LS trans casing w/ all B16 gears
stg2 CM clutch

(what I'm gonig to do)
build parts:
gsr block all stock except for ITR pistons.
s2 or stock tb sent out to maxbore (65mm or maybe bigger if recommended. and portmatch IM.)

and will be upgrading my header to spoolin performance hy-tech reps or if I got some extra cash. bisi v2. i want atleast 180whp out of the poormans build. if the s2p1s will be better off and safe enough to run without upgrading my valves I think ill go with them. but my car will also be a DD. so would i benefit from the s2s2 as far as reliability?

also are the bisi v2 headers a/c compatable? if not what is a quality header that is a/c compatable. I want to keep my a/c.


I was thinking either S2pro1s or S2tunerSTG2s any info and advice would help. the car is also a DD. looking to make decent power. when I go poormans is when I really want my choice of cam to be helpful. I want atleast 180whp out of the poormans.

thanks in advance.

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these two are for sale here on h-t. trying to decide which would be best for me
B-Series Cams
Used Skunk2 Pro1 Cams $390 plus shipping....still have the original boxes



Used Skunk2 Pro1 Cams $390 plus shipping....still have the original boxes


ITR Cams covered in white lithium grease (SOLD)




and


Skunk2 stage 2 tuner cams $380obo

 

My "poormans R" style build makes 175whp 130tq with exhaust on. (apexi WS2 catback 2.25 exhaust) Open header another 10+whp and 5+tq is gained. Never tuned open header just dynod.

I have slightly higher compression than you are planning to run (11.3:1) but tuning and the correct parts will make up for most of that.

82mm GSR block, crank, rods w/ PR3 pistons
Stock B16 head w/ 3 angle valve grind, 00' ITR cams, Stock P30 IM/TB, RMF narrow header, Yowaii SS intake, also run a 3" pipe w/ BPI stack at the track.

This should give you a decent idea for numbers. I will be running Pro 1 cams this summer and expect to be in the neighborhood of 210-215whp open header, 200whp plugged with my exhaust.

 

the first thread was misleading. maybe if you read and helped i wouldn't have to make a thread.. if there was a way to delete the thread it would have been deleted.. thanks for your irrelevant post... but i guess you did raise your post count huh cool guy..

just want to know a couple things..

is the bisi v2 header a/c compatable?

which would produce good/reliable power on a DD s2s2 or s2p1 on my poormans build?

what size tb should I go with?

 

Go back and read my EDITED post, provided you with plenty of info I have first hand experience with. I did read you other post and realized it was slightly different. So no I didnt just raise my post count, I helped you out too.

 

AHH cool sorry didn't notice you edited it haha. thanks for help. ill edit this post when i finish reading what you wrote.

edit: any info on any of these questions:
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is the bisi v2 header a/c compatable?

which would produce good/reliable power on a DD s2s2 or s2p1 on my poormans build?

what size tb should I go with?
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is the rmf header a/c compatable?

also I am running a home made "buddyclub II" haha. ill benefit from that correct.


btw your build sounds amazing man

 

I have no experience with the Bisi header, but I do know the RMF is compatible and I have zero gripes with the header.

I have chose to run the pro 1's over S2S2 for 2 reasons:
1. The pro 1's make 6-10whp gains in the low/mids over the tuners which are basically a stock feeling cam until vtec. In some cases the tuners make better peak hp, but many graphs I have looked at with builds similar to mine (less than 11.5:1CR) the pro 1's have outperformed them in all aspects.
2. I am building a 600+wp boost motor and the pro 1's have proven themselves to make the most power per lb of boost in almost every high HP build I have seen.

What size pipe are you using for your exhaust? 3" will give you optimal performance.

 

ah ok. as far as it DD the motor goes which ones would you go with? are the s2p1s a good DD cam.

and my exhaust is 2.5in you reccomend upgrading to a 3in N/A on my build?

 

I would go with the Pro 1's. They will be in my car which is my DD when Im in town. They give you added hp/tq in the usable range for DDing compared to the Tuners which you have to rev (vtec) to benefit from them for the most part. I would go as far to say that the Pro 1's are one of if not the best all around cam on the market right now.

2.5 is ok but 3" would still gain you some power. Let that baby breathe. I cant really talk im still using my 2.25" ws2 catback which sucks up all my power, but its quiet for freeway travel and keeps the hogs off my tail.

 

thanks man for all the help. pro1s looks like it will be most likely then. and ill see what i can do about the piping haha. I feel you on the hogs comment lol. i got a stock rsx exhaust i bolt up from time to time haha.

as far as tb size would 65mm be fine or a little bigger. port matched IM of course.

and

fuel. would i be ok on some h22 inj and stock pump. or will it lean out on stock pump?

 

68mm is the size I like for mild 1.8 builds. What intake mani do you plan on using? The Edelbrock Performer X on 1.8's is MONEY. Over a stock ITR piece on nearly the same setup I have right now gained 12whp and 8tq baseline before tuning.

I have a walbro fuel pump since I used to have a boosted LSV before this setup which is a nice upgrade to have even if you dont need it. A stock pum will support your build sufficiently. H22 injectors will be fine as well. Im going to run RC370's more than likely once I get my cams installed.

 

right now I have a S2 pro IM on stock TB thats why I asked about the TB. I've never really messed with any of the edelbrock products S2<EDEL ? LOL

and thanks for all the help in advance.

 

I guess since you already have the S2 mani then stick with it. The Edelbrock Per X has proven itself time and time again on 1.8's compared to the S2 and ITR pieces.

 

Here is the link I am referring to
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...+manifold+test

 

for sure then. if anything i can get the runners ported lol

 

Check out that link I just posted. It has a ported ITR IM (similar to a S2) a stock ITR and the performer X

 

thanks for that link I see what you're saying about the performerX. I have 2 buddies that are selling one so ill talk with them see if they'll swap out and sell my S2 haha

 

If I wasnt building a turbo motor I would pick one up in a heart beat, but Ill be running a ported Vic X so I dont want to spend the cash twice. Im going to to a runner "clean up" port on my P30 and polish them up and see what happens. Worst case is I have clean runners that no one can see. haha

 

sounds like a plan man. your car is going to make some sweet power haha. what boost setup you going with?

 

o and I'll be fine with a oem HG right or should i just get the cosmetic?

 

Stock bore motor OEM is fine.

I just realized what I said about the H22 injectors. are you talking about the 280's? If so I would run at least a 310cc, I am going to run a 370cc on my setup. I dont like to run anything over a 80% duty cycle on my injectors.

 

ok cool thanks. good old OE it is haha.

ya going with these

1992-96 Prelude VTEC Peak and hold 345cc usdm

I need a resister box for those also right lol ? fknoob haha


92-95 H22a, H23 - ~330cc, Peak
96-00 H22a, H23 - ~290cc, Saturated

 

Yes you will need a resistor box. Should be easy enought to come across. After I posted I realized there were more than 1 option on H22 injectors so I just wanted to clarify and not mislead you.

 

for sure. thanks for all the help man. you've pretty much answered all my questions haha. one last question

bisi (<,>,= ) rmf ? if the bisi is even a/c compatable. I'm keeping my a/c lol.


and hows the clearance on your rmf narrow.

 

You know I honestly have not seen any testing or pro/cons on the bisi yet. It still relatively new and the RMF's are flying off the shelf for $250 right now so no one has really jumped at em. I guess just search around and see what you come up with. The RMF is in fact one of the best headers for the buck. Even "part snobs" that only run real stuff are impressed with it.

Clearance on my RMF is great. I can't quite squeeze a finger between it and the oil pan, but I do have thick fingers. Here is a pic of my car and how low it is, I have yet to get one scratch, dent, or scrape on it and the raods here is seattle BLOW. The front sits slightly lower than in the pics, maybe 1/4" but still have had no issues.





Ill include one from the rear too. You cant even see it under there. Pretty much if the header hits the oil pan is going with it.

 

ok i haven't read allll of it. but from what i can tell your bisi question is unanswered. and it will not fit. some have trouble even fitting inside the front support. also half rads, full wouldn't work. besides those things the clearance is still great i have yet to scrape it.
so RMF it is.

since you already sold or never had it's a loss but i was gonna say just port your p30 IM. oh well you have answers for where to go if not already answered.

uhh 93 isn't your back setup a lil overkill? the tie bar and subframe brace?