Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 03:30 PM
  #1  
AM_H2B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 213
Likes: 0
Default Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

I'm trying to TIG 1/8" aluminum sheet and am having trouble with the metal moving around from the heat. On the pic below, I clamped everything down, but the metal still started to warp after removing the clamps. Wondering if you guys have any pointers before I try it again.

Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 03:49 PM
  #2  
Flashmn's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,364
Likes: 0
From: Heinola, Finland
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

make the box by bending it of one sheet and weld it at the corner might help. Flat surfaces tend to warp.
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 04:07 PM
  #3  
AM_H2B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 213
Likes: 0
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Originally Posted by Flashmn
make the box by bending it of one sheet and weld it at the corner might help. Flat surfaces tend to warp.

Yeah, it was just that the metal only comes in 12 foot sheets, and the total structure is longer than that, so a piece had to be welded in.
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 04:48 PM
  #4  
overvolting's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

I would try to keep the sheet cool or add more sheets of aluminium on top and below it to absorb the heat.

I'd also try to weld fast and in smaller sections to utilize more efficiently the heat needed, minimize how much gets dissipated into the sheet and give it time to cool between welds.
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 04:57 PM
  #5  
TunerN00b's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,539
Likes: 5
From: Sherman Oaks, CA, United States
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Would

not work for heat warpage?
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 05:28 PM
  #6  
k24em2's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,895
Likes: 0
From: Lincoln, Ne, USA
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Compensate for warping by pre warping the part the opposite direction
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 06:13 PM
  #7  
SovXietday's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,641
Likes: 0
From: Lower Right Hand Corner, PA
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Originally Posted by TunerN00b
Would

not work for heat warpage?
How the eff does that thing work?
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 09:34 PM
  #8  
AM_H2B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 213
Likes: 0
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Originally Posted by overvolting
I would try to keep the sheet cool or add more sheets of aluminium on top and below it to absorb the heat.

I'd also try to weld fast and in smaller sections to utilize more efficiently the heat needed, minimize how much gets dissipated into the sheet and give it time to cool between welds.
Yeah, that makes sense. I'll work on welding faster with less heat.
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2011 | 10:48 AM
  #9  
TunerN00b's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,539
Likes: 5
From: Sherman Oaks, CA, United States
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Originally Posted by SovXietday
How the eff does that thing work?
It's a metal shrinking wheel.

It heats the raised portions of the warpage, and the heat differential allows the metal to reform into its original shape.

They used to be used in auto body repair, after welding in a patch panel. These days, the panel is usually either replaced entirely or body filler is used, so shrinking after welding isn't really done any more.
Reply
Old Jan 18, 2011 | 06:30 PM
  #10  
4cefed's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 131
Likes: 0
From: anacortes, wa, usa
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Originally Posted by TunerN00b
It's a metal shrinking wheel.

It heats the raised portions of the warpage, and the heat differential allows the metal to reform into its original shape.

They used to be used in auto body repair, after welding in a patch panel. These days, the panel is usually either replaced entirely or body filler is used, so shrinking after welding isn't really done any more.
This is incorrect. When you weld, the metal shrinks. A shrinking disc would make it worse. When doing sheet metal work, a high spot or "stretched" spot is shrunk down level with the rest of the panel. When you weld a sheet metal panel it will sink down, you then have to hammer on dolly the effected area in order to stretch it back to its original shape.
Reply
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 06:35 AM
  #11  
tepid1's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,357
Likes: 5
From: CT
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Would it help to weld smaller lengths?
Reply
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 01:44 PM
  #12  
AFI Turbo's Avatar
B*a*n*n*e*d
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 803
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

to me it looks like your start/stops are waaaay far apart. i would def shorten those and maybe alternate which bead you are welding on.
Reply
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 04:21 PM
  #13  
k24em2's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,895
Likes: 0
From: Lincoln, Ne, USA
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

And why would you add that small piece in the middle? Why not bend it out of a single piece of aluminum?
Reply
Old Jan 20, 2011 | 06:24 AM
  #14  
AFI Turbo's Avatar
B*a*n*n*e*d
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 803
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Originally Posted by AM_H2B
Yeah, it was just that the metal only comes in 12 foot sheets, and the total structure is longer than that, so a piece had to be welded in.
Originally Posted by k24em2
And why would you add that small piece in the middle? Why not bend it out of a single piece of aluminum?
he already answered that ^
Reply
Old Jan 20, 2011 | 05:13 PM
  #15  
k24em2's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,895
Likes: 0
From: Lincoln, Ne, USA
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Ah ha

Could you reconfigure the design so you can weld on a corner?
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2011 | 10:26 AM
  #16  
AFI Turbo's Avatar
B*a*n*n*e*d
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 803
Likes: 0
From: Phoenix
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

good idea ^
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2011 | 11:14 AM
  #17  
E-Rok's Avatar
EPIC TUNING
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 10,285
Likes: 0
From: WA
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Originally Posted by k24em2
Ah ha

Could you reconfigure the design so you can weld on a corner?
thats what I was going to suggest, eliminate the dumb little piece and just run a single length from corner to corner.
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2011 | 09:21 PM
  #18  
onefstek's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 2,519
Likes: 1
From: Auburn, wa, usa
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

After you finish welding, do you let it cool down before your release the clamps???

If you don't then that will be your problem.

You may try to weld the corners, but that will take more material, but it won't warp on you.

Stefan
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2011 | 08:52 AM
  #19  
jere's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
From: akron, ohio
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Put a wet rag on the sheet metal when you are welding. When it starts to steam and get hot let the metal cool down. You can dip the wet rag in a bucket of water and help cool the metal down while you wait. Don't get any water on the immediate area you are welding though for obvious reasons. Also be very cautious of steam, some hot steam won't feel to good.
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2011 | 10:57 PM
  #20  
AM_H2B's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 213
Likes: 0
Default Re: Newb Question: Welding Aluminum Sheet

Thanks for all of the advice. After reading suggestions from this thread, I layed tack welds every few inches, clamped everything down really well, then welded in small 1-2 inch sections alternating between sides. Everything was good the second time around. Thanks guys!
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
tepid1
Paint and Body
2
Apr 9, 2010 02:15 AM
97CWITR
Acura Integra
1
Mar 22, 2005 10:23 AM
JonnySBeee...
Welding / Fabrication
24
Feb 9, 2005 09:24 PM
cua0
Welding / Fabrication
8
Nov 19, 2004 07:53 PM
Cryptopsy
Audio / Security / Video
1
Mar 7, 2002 05:58 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:33 AM.