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Old Jan 5, 2011 | 06:31 PM
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Old Jan 5, 2011 | 07:49 PM
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yes they have to blen the paint because if not you will notice the door was painted, just think when u paint a car the paint color or tone also comes from the temp, humidity and air press. so even tho the paint was mixed 100% to match the car the paint will not match no matter what unless u r lucky or blend the panels
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Old Jan 5, 2011 | 07:51 PM
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^^^ he is correct but it does seem a bit high. I paid 2,200 for a full color change with body work.
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Old Jan 5, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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Paint prices vary from state to state a very well done color change in NJ will run 4 grand and up.That seems reasonable for blending a side and repairing the damage.
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Old Jan 5, 2011 | 07:59 PM
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I forget sometimes I live in a small town. They can't be real high or they wouldn't get business. Plus my friend is the painter at the shop I went to. I think it helped a little.
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Old Jan 6, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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It is not at all difficult to rack up $1,100 worth of body and paint labor, especially on an insurance job. People forget that straight insurance work is 'by the book' in the most literal sense, and that overall paint jobs that are done purely for cosmetic reasons are often chopped down in price in order to get the job in the front door. Custom paint pricing is purely driven by what the shop owner thinks he can make on a job vs. how much he must spend. It's up to him where he sets the price, and he will set it where he feels he can make a decent trade off between not ripping off the customer and actually making some money himself. There is no variation on price for insurance work. There are legal minimum and maximum labor rates to deal with as well as restrictions on what parts you may or may not use as well as requirements about parts that you must use. Insurance work is entirely different than 'custom' paint work.

As for blending, YES it is absolutely required that you blend out a color, especially on insurance work. You seem to be leery about the shop's estimate and reasoning behind blending, but in reality, you should be thankful they're writing the estimate that way. If you ever hear an appraiser/estimator say "nah, we can butt match/panel paint that (basically "we don't have to blend the adjacent panels") then the red flag should go up. The shop is trying to get away with doing less work and you will end up with mismatched panels.

The general rule of thumb, as followed by most industry professionals is the 12" rule. If you will be changing the color of the panel 12" or nearer to an adjacent panel, you must blend that adjacent panel. Changing the color means with either body work, primer, or sealer. This rule applies for pretty much every color in existence except for a lot of blacks. Black rarely has to be blended unless it's a 'problem black'. Berlina Black (S2K black) is one that I've found to be a problem black because it has a lot of white and yellow in it.

Integra doors (both two and four door models) are small enough that even a relatively small repair in the center of the door should require that the fender and the quarter get blended. To make it worse, Phoenix Yellow is one of the worst of the solid yellows as far as coverage. Normal colors take between 2 and 4 coats to cover, whereas it is very common for yellows to take 6 or more coats to reach full coverage. That makes for a hell of a time color matching, and makes it nearly imporrible to accurately panel paint the car (no blending).
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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 02:06 PM
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i think after all is said and done that 1100 is about right. it doesnt really matter if they price is 600 you still have to come up with 500 out of your pocket. just make sure its a good shop and let them do it.
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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gixxer508
My car got hit today seem like someone side swipe it or something. Not major but the paint did come off leaving a long scratch mark on the side of the passenger door only. No dents but just little crease from the scratches. I went to the shop and got a quick estimate and they told me that they going have to paint the door and blend all the panel on the passenger side???? Is that right???? I only want to paint the door and not touch the panel since I want the paint to be original. They told me they have to blend it inorder to match paint as possible. I dont get that is that how it work?? It is a 2001 type r pheonix yellow. I dont mind spending the money but I want my **** done right where you cant tell it have been repainted. They said that it will cost me around 1100. I already report this to my insurance and I will have to come up with the deductible 500.
yellow is always a color you haft to blend. its a very transparent color.

r&i glass r&i rear bumper r&i fender liner r&i front bumper and i bet there is body labor on the door + door tear down.

the estimate probably looks like that. if your car was black it would be a different story.
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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DC2.2_GSR
It is not at all difficult to rack up $1,100 worth of body and paint labor, especially on an insurance job. People forget that straight insurance work is 'by the book' in the most literal sense, and that overall paint jobs that are done purely for cosmetic reasons are often chopped down in price in order to get the job in the front door. Custom paint pricing is purely driven by what the shop owner thinks he can make on a job vs. how much he must spend. It's up to him where he sets the price, and he will set it where he feels he can make a decent trade off between not ripping off the customer and actually making some money himself. There is no variation on price for insurance work. There are legal minimum and maximum labor rates to deal with as well as restrictions on what parts you may or may not use as well as requirements about parts that you must use. Insurance work is entirely different than 'custom' paint work.

As for blending, YES it is absolutely required that you blend out a color, especially on insurance work. You seem to be leery about the shop's estimate and reasoning behind blending, but in reality, you should be thankful they're writing the estimate that way. If you ever hear an appraiser/estimator say "nah, we can butt match/panel paint that (basically "we don't have to blend the adjacent panels") then the red flag should go up. The shop is trying to get away with doing less work and you will end up with mismatched panels.

The general rule of thumb, as followed by most industry professionals is the 12" rule. If you will be changing the color of the panel 12" or nearer to an adjacent panel, you must blend that adjacent panel. Changing the color means with either body work, primer, or sealer. This rule applies for pretty much every color in existence except for a lot of blacks. Black rarely has to be blended unless it's a 'problem black'. Berlina Black (S2K black) is one that I've found to be a problem black because it has a lot of white and yellow in it.

Integra doors (both two and four door models) are small enough that even a relatively small repair in the center of the door should require that the fender and the quarter get blended. To make it worse, Phoenix Yellow is one of the worst of the solid yellows as far as coverage. Normal colors take between 2 and 4 coats to cover, whereas it is very common for yellows to take 6 or more coats to reach full coverage. That makes for a hell of a time color matching, and makes it nearly imporrible to accurately panel paint the car (no blending).
to those that don't know, this information is 100% correct.
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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 04:21 PM
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Default Re: 1100 just getting my door repainted??

you blend pretty much every color. . unless you want your panel to be a different color from the rest of the car, you will get it blended. like you said, u want it to look like its never been painted. that is the purpose of blending it. to trick the eye into believinbg there is no mis-matches

things that add up
R&I of the door handle, mouldings, belt moldings, interior door panel, bagging/masking the car, feather edge and primer, materials etc.
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