Toda ITB's vs TWM ITB's, which one is better, who is actually running these systems? NEED FEED BACK...........

A search was performed, but none gave any supporting info.........

Nick

 

 

i think only a couple of people on here have experience with ITB's (SgT comes to mind...) and i bet if they reply it will read something to the effect of "do you have enough money in your motor to where you can justify spending $xxxx for better throttle response?"

 

and speaking of, i wanna know who the 9 people are who said toda is better? i havent heard of anyone even running these yet, im sure theyre nice, but i wanna see proof

 

I hear one of R&D Motorsports customers has a set of TODA ITB on their car.

 

i heard the same thing too

 

the older twm didn't use ball bearing pulley system. the sorta stuck some when hot. other then that? they were great. Toda's your dealing with 2 things. One they are cool because they DO use ball bearing throttle/return linkage. The one objectionable thing is....they put the injector before the butterfly. So think air horn, injector, butterfly and then enter head. twm is horn, butterfly, injector then enter head. When we first started the race car with the toda itb's. we saw flamage on the firewall. totally cool. twm are like 2mm each larger as well which is a good thing or a bad thing. the twm now come ball bearing standard.

personally? its a matter of usage.

 

i have a set of jdm toyota itbs from the 4age 20v- the setup toda copied- they are a bit small, but can be bored. does anyone know where i can get a reasonably priced (<US$500) intake for b18c1 head with which to use them?

 

whoa, that's the first i've heard of the injector before butterfly thing.....

how weird is that to tune?

 

uhhh -flames??

 

Me too. I have dealt with a handful of twm equipped car and they aren't for everyone. I get the feeling people vote for toda because it's toda. Over priced jdm crap, and people who love it because of the name Good products that work well regardless of where it comes from or who makes it

 

lol..u cant ask such a ? on h-t..most people who vote would probably say toda anyway just because its japanese, without having any knowledge or experience with them.

 

With the amount of money spent on either one, I would hardly think anyone would object to small differences. TODA, especially, being a formidable JDM company built on quality, it's natural to side with familiarity. Hell, I bought a Spoon radiator cap and I could of sworn my car was faster than before.

 

i didnt know there were so many people running itb's on this board. 30 votes so far....

 

Voted Toda cause its purdy, serious though I wonder how many of use HAVE or even used ITB's. I voted for toda cause I've seen and heard them and I like BUT I've never heard saw or driven the comp.

Did anyone on this board REALLY try BOTH. If so I want a detailed review over stock thanks in advance

 

I know of one roadracer who's close to turning pro running them. He was kicking *** until he flipped his itr 5times in a barrel roll. So...Toda ITB's do work well and they are very tunable.

With the race car
(notice injectors before butterfly) she's just about done. caged and getting ready for tuning. hopefully it rocks the allmotor world. Its something very very unique and different.

my old setup


(notice the injectors after butterfly)

 

the Todas are similar, much better than the 4age ones.

The Toda unit is much better in terms of fuel atomization, the thr response is incredible and it is perfectly tuned for the b-series hond and can support CFM rates for 2.2 liters (I had my flow tested and was also shaped to match my head intake chamber port)

I also have two set os TWMs which are nice too but nothing to compare to the Toda or Blitz ITBs.

its like comparing a JDM 4-1 header to a Spoon or Toda header.


Lip, I have more updated pics, I'll post when I upload them.

Greg

 

the todas (twms, blitzs, haywards, ...) are much better than the 4age itbs, hence the price. i am just looking to see if anyone offers a reasonably priced intake mani to use (my b18c1 head) with my cheapo-toyo itbs. otherwise, i can try some hack-n-weld with the flange from an old b18c1 intake mani.

 

Damn, Greg is making me dr00l over those damn things!!!

 

Drivability: Toda
Race: TWMs
tunning is everything when it comes to ITBs
http://www.rcrewracing.com/photos.html


[Modified by R CrewTwinz, 8:02 PM 9/24/2002]

 

RCrew, why do you say TWM's are better for racing? The larger diameter runners?

So on a race-built B-series engine (high compression, high lift cams, ported & polished head and high quality header/exhaust) what kind of power gains are usual with ITB's? Or is it more about throttle response than power production? I have access to some TWM's for free (loaners from my engine builder) and I'm trying to decide if it's worth the effort and expense of dyno tuning.

edit: this is for a road race car, btw.


[Modified by Maxi, 7:42 PM 9/24/2002]

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=260670
it depends who and how the engine is tuned... itbs love high compression and high lift cams. Lip should be able to answer your question about power gains... btw if anyone is looking for a set of brand new twms for a b16a/itr im me...


[Modified by R CrewTwinz, 9:24 PM 9/24/2002]