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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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i just finished my gsr swap and im just running a stock p28 right now. i got a lot of different recommendations for what to use. i have two tuners that i have talked to and one said hondata and other said neptune.

Ive heard nothing bad about hondata besides that its pretty pricey and for neptune im not too familiar with them but havent heard bad things about them either.

I plan on turboing the car in the spring time so i dont know if that will make a difference on my choice. Im a newb to all of this, so anything is appreciated. thanks
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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 01:22 PM
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both are good. comes down to personal preference. if your tuner likes the s300 go that route and vise versa
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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 01:23 PM
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Neptune all the way!!! Hondata was great when there was ONLY hondata, but now you have better options. Plus Neptune customer support fukin rocks!!
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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bmak21
i just finished my gsr swap and im just running a stock p28 right now. i got a lot of different recommendations for what to use. i have two tuners that i have talked to and one said hondata and other said neptune.

Ive heard nothing bad about hondata besides that its pretty pricey and for neptune im not too familiar with them but havent heard bad things about them either.

I plan on turboing the car in the spring time so i dont know if that will make a difference on my choice. Im a newb to all of this, so anything is appreciated. thanks
Choose a tuner based on his experience & your comfort level with the tuner.
The price difference between Hondata and Neptune is only $90 retail.
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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 05:10 PM
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both are great.. go with what your tuner feels most comfortable with.
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Old Nov 19, 2010 | 07:45 PM
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is there something that one has and other doesnt? i assume that both of them are roughly the same functionality wise but only major difference is cost?
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 08:20 AM
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Both softwares are free to download if you'd like to check them out.
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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Just use crome, it's free. It must be good lol
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 08:22 PM
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Just use Hondata or Neptune. It costs money so it must be good. =P
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Old Nov 20, 2010 | 10:30 PM
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Just use Hondata or Neptune. It costs money so it must be good. =P
Both are quite a bit better, actually. You might be on to something!
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 07:02 AM
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Both are quite a bit better, actually. You might be on to something!
No ways man!

I like having to figure out every problem with an engine management software before I can even start to tune with it! Thats the fun behind it! Even if my pistons get a little beat up because the software isn't doing what it's supposed to until you "fix it".
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 07:23 AM
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But MTBER, you have access to fix all of the scripts yourself! That's a huge advantage over using something that already works well.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 07:39 AM
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But MTBER, you have access to fix all of the scripts yourself! That's a huge advantage over using something that already works well.
No ways! So you mean after I crack a ringland on my stock motor that I am street tuning at a perfect a/f ratio with perfectly synced ignition timing & timing maps I get to fix & make my own scripts & write my own code!_@(*#@( AWESOME! This is better than Christmas!

CROME ROCKS!
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 07:47 AM
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If you use another free program to datalog, just switch back and forth when you make changes, and just burn chips for every update instead of buying an emulator, you'll save money and occupy a lot of time. That'd be great for you since you're always bored. And since Crome will never progress forward, you'll be stuck in like 2005. You'll never get old! That IS better than Christmas.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 08:42 AM
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If you use another free program to datalog, just switch back and forth when you make changes, and just burn chips for every update instead of buying an emulator, you'll save money and occupy a lot of time. That'd be great for you since you're always bored. And since Crome will never progress forward, you'll be stuck in like 2005. You'll never get old! That IS better than Christmas.
Better yet, use UV erase chips & an old school willem burner you can buy for CHEAP!

No WAYS! Free data logging with cHrOmE?
After I JB weld my ringlands back together I will download that free log program so I can figure out how to make mad power!

My boyz are going to be so jealous it's not even funny.

I was going to buy one of those emulator things, but me and my boy just shut the car off while cruising down the highway & swap the chip out while the car is coasting!!!
Sometimes I like to go to McDonalds & get my 99 cent cheese burgers on Wednesdays. While they are taking my order I tune my idle tablez.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 09:02 AM
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Can't you E-tune that idle over the intarwebz?

On a more serious note, you guys offering E-tunes are nuts, we all know that 97.2% of the cars that come in for tuning have serious issues that need to be fixed before tuning. Of that amount, 99% of them are obd1 cars.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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Can't you E-tune that idle over the intarwebz?

On a more serious note, you guys offering E-tunes are nuts, we all know that 97.2% of the cars that come in for tuning have serious issues that need to be fixed before tuning. Of that amount, 99% of them are obd1 cars.
I will e-tune your cnc machine from my cell phone free of charge!
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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LOL...i think you 2 had to much fun with that one.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 09:40 AM
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LOL...i think you 2 had to much fun with that one.
It's only fun because it's true.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 10:38 AM
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It's only fun because it's true.
maybe for you guys =P but over the time of about 3 years i probably dyno tuned 100+ cars at the shop on crome and never had an issue.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 11:21 AM
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And if it works for you, by all means continue using it. A large percentage of people have problems with it. Clearly you can't be oblivious to that fact.

Engine management is cheap for this market compared to a lot of other markets. Crome may work for some people, and by all means stick to it if it does what you need it to do, but it's 2010. People are moving on to better things. Let them.
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 02:31 PM
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Neptune FTW!
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 05:22 PM
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And if it works for you, by all means continue using it. A large percentage of people have problems with it. Clearly you can't be oblivious to that fact.

Engine management is cheap for this market compared to a lot of other markets. Crome may work for some people, and by all means stick to it if it does what you need it to do, but it's 2010. People are moving on to better things. Let them.
crome is good for your average honda street car. for anything else we use FAST, Motec, AEM etc...i dont feel neptune/hondata/ectune really fit in to well. but thats my opinion.
the shop cars for example are either running on FAST or Motec....i wouldnt dream of running a high hp drag motor off of hondata/ectune/neptune/crome...but for 99% of the real world crome is fine.
when you have 20-30-40k+ into a motor would you really want to still run it off an oem ecu...hell no
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Old Nov 21, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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I completely understand, though I would definitely run an OEM ECU... with COP and traction control. My opinion there doesn't really count since that's not publicly available.
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Neptune, because i support someone who devolops and takes the time to make it right.. rather then trying to make money.
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