H22 swap?
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H22 swap?
Well I've recently been debating on if I should turbo my f22 or buy an h22, and I think at this time in my life the h22 is the better choice.. Anyways I get of h motors online and start looking for my h22 and I see there is a 1699$ h22 and a 2099$ h22 only difference I can see is axels with half shafts shifter asembly and shifter cables and stock motor mounts. Do I need these axles with half shafts, shifter cables and asembly? Or can I use my stockers.
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Re: H22 swap?
Anyone can tell you that the H22 is a better choice in the fact that it is one of Honda's Big Block engines. I have had an h22a swapped in 2 different 4th Gen Accords and did both swaps myself. It is the best upgrade I can think of for a CB7. I like it because it is one of the few swaps in the world where you can use ALL factory parts. Honda makes parts for the prelude and the accord that can be used in the completion of the swap.
It also doesn't take long to do, the last time I did it, was a 2 day ordeal, and then it was done. Make sure you do your research. I won't put it here, because the swap guides are prevalent on this particular swap. Google it and get a parts list. Get ALL your parts and do it all in a day or two. Don't stretch it out by starting before you have all your parts.
H22 has a plethora of performance parts and turbo setups for it. Don't be fooled by the quick gain of HP you can get by turbocharging an F22 block. It will produce big gains, but for how long. The H22 block can be turbocharged up to 9PSI on stock internals, and if built right (sleeves, rods, pistons, valve train, etc) you can boost the H blocks upwards of 30PSI.
Just a thought from an experienced H22 CB7 owner
It also doesn't take long to do, the last time I did it, was a 2 day ordeal, and then it was done. Make sure you do your research. I won't put it here, because the swap guides are prevalent on this particular swap. Google it and get a parts list. Get ALL your parts and do it all in a day or two. Don't stretch it out by starting before you have all your parts.
H22 has a plethora of performance parts and turbo setups for it. Don't be fooled by the quick gain of HP you can get by turbocharging an F22 block. It will produce big gains, but for how long. The H22 block can be turbocharged up to 9PSI on stock internals, and if built right (sleeves, rods, pistons, valve train, etc) you can boost the H blocks upwards of 30PSI.
Just a thought from an experienced H22 CB7 owner
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Re: H22 swap?
Yeah I kinda figured h22 would be the eat bang for my buck considering I want a reliable car, Ive done alot of research the past few weeks and yes I could build a turbo car for 1000 but like the guy said how log is that gonna last. Are you on cb7tuner? I ony posted this here because cb7tuner wouldn't let me post. If you could point me in the direction of a good write up on the swap that would be sweet. Thanks in advance.
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Re: H22 swap?
That's because the site is down. I have a f20b in my cb7 and i like it better than the h22. But I am a person that loves that high rpm range. My car tuned on stock exhaust manifold and intake manifold and a small *** intake from am EF made 184 whp and 149 tq. Which us about average. The h22 is a great swap into our cb7's, but I belive the f20b will b funner to drive. So I'd say look into f20b and keep ur options open. Is your car an auto or manual?
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Re: H22 swap?
F22a1 2d dx 5speed, f20b is still an option just because no one would know what it was around here, what's the max redline on a stock f20? Also is it a straight swap like the h22?
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Re: H22 swap?
There's a little more to f20b than h22. But nothing major. As posted before, do some homework prior to anything. Get opinions. I'm not sure of redline but mine is at 8000. Them again, it's known to go further in a stock motor. You can actually hear and still feel the pull when you're that high in rpm range where for the h22 you will feel a slight decrease of power at that rpm range. However, the h22 is known to have more torque than an f20b.
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Re: H22 swap?
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I highly doubt this motor will nuke any time soon. The F22 motor is a perfectly good choice for tuning. The problem here is everyone is sooo big on swapping motors in hondas rather then working with what they have. And what you have is a very capable motor. This is what makes DSM guys so interesting if you troll their forums, those guys would rather do some research and make some random *** swappable parts work in their internals rather than throw down the big bucks and follow the band wagon to some silly *** over priced swap. What this guy is doing here is a big step up for the f22, and development of other projects in general. I personally have been spending sometime trying to find a cheap source for internals and a possibility to stroker on the cheap like DSM guys use 4g64 cranks and custom pistons. swapping to an H22 just to boost is utterly pointless, your going to spend all that money putting in a motor with stock internals only to spend the money then to boost it, and then only to spend it again to build the bottom end. sounds dumb to me. So far the above link is a proven build and very well put together. The only thing I don't like is the low 8:1 comp. 9:1 is the best for a well setup boosted motor. So I guess all you would have to do is find some higher comp 4g63 stroker pistons which I have seen made for 10:1. Or shave the head, or find a slightly longer rod.
I highly doubt this motor will nuke any time soon. The F22 motor is a perfectly good choice for tuning. The problem here is everyone is sooo big on swapping motors in hondas rather then working with what they have. And what you have is a very capable motor. This is what makes DSM guys so interesting if you troll their forums, those guys would rather do some research and make some random *** swappable parts work in their internals rather than throw down the big bucks and follow the band wagon to some silly *** over priced swap. What this guy is doing here is a big step up for the f22, and development of other projects in general. I personally have been spending sometime trying to find a cheap source for internals and a possibility to stroker on the cheap like DSM guys use 4g64 cranks and custom pistons. swapping to an H22 just to boost is utterly pointless, your going to spend all that money putting in a motor with stock internals only to spend the money then to boost it, and then only to spend it again to build the bottom end. sounds dumb to me. So far the above link is a proven build and very well put together. The only thing I don't like is the low 8:1 comp. 9:1 is the best for a well setup boosted motor. So I guess all you would have to do is find some higher comp 4g63 stroker pistons which I have seen made for 10:1. Or shave the head, or find a slightly longer rod.
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Re: H22 swap?
That is 100% inaccurate!!!!!! Do you know how many companies that make pistons that will work with stock H22 FRM sleeves? ONE....ONE company (Mahle) is the only company.
Arias pistons are the exact same price for the H22 and for the F22. Good thing about the f22 is that it does not require new sleeves.
Anyone can tell you that the H22 is a better choice in the fact that it is one of Honda's Big Block engines. I like it because it is one of the few swaps in the world where you can use ALL factory parts. Honda makes parts for the prelude and the accord that can be used in the completion of the swap.
H22 has a plethora of performance parts and turbo setups for it. Don't be fooled by the quick gain of HP you can get by turbocharging an F22 block. It will produce big gains, but for how long. The H22 block can be turbocharged up to 9PSI on stock internals, and if built right (sleeves, rods, pistons, valve train, etc) you can boost the H blocks upwards of 30PSI.
Just a thought from an experienced H22 CB7 owner
H22 has a plethora of performance parts and turbo setups for it. Don't be fooled by the quick gain of HP you can get by turbocharging an F22 block. It will produce big gains, but for how long. The H22 block can be turbocharged up to 9PSI on stock internals, and if built right (sleeves, rods, pistons, valve train, etc) you can boost the H blocks upwards of 30PSI.
Just a thought from an experienced H22 CB7 owner
please tell me how the h22 is any more of a big block than the f22? they are both 2.2L.....and by the way its no longer the "big block".
the f22 block will handle plenty of power. I hate to tell you but psi has nothing to do with how much power a car does or does not make. It is all about CFM. For example:
t25 @ 9psi might net the h22 240whp
t3 57 trim @ 9 psi might get 280whp
60-1 @ 9 psi might get 320whp
do you see the inaccuracy of your statement? Each of those turbos is running the exact same PSI...which means jack **** when it comes to power. Each of those turbos flow a different amount of air. As the turbo gets bigger the more air it can move on the exact same pressure level.
Also it is not PSI that breaks things it is HP!
And I don't know what you are smoking but your statment about the h22 handling 30psi???WTF are you talking about?
TO the OP:
make a goal and go for it. If you want a turbo car (which will not hurt the driveability or reliability) then just boost the f22. If you want an all motor car build the f22....
The f22 is a very underestimated motor. you can always put the h22 head on the f22 if you really want the DOHC vtec. The f22a head is a great flowing head as well.
For the money you would spend on the h22a swap you could either turbo or build a pretty nice all motor build.
Its really up to you. All three options will meet your goals it all just depends on how you want to go about it.
I have an all motor h22 (ported head, flat valves, s2p1 cams, s2 valvetrain, s2 pro cam gears, hytec rep header, etc) in my car and I wish I would have build the f22. I did the swap 7 years ago, long before what I know now.
Look further down the road than tomorrow. What are you ultimate goals and what is it going to take to get there?
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Re: H22 swap?
That is 100% inaccurate!!!!!! Do you know how many companies that make pistons that will work with stock H22 FRM sleeves? ONE....ONE company (Mahle) is the only company.
Arias pistons are the exact same price for the H22 and for the F22. Good thing about the f22 is that it does not require new sleeves.
Here I was talking about the f engine and how pistons and rods are not as readily available as say a b16,18,h22,k24 4g63, and so on. Forged pistons for these cars are a dime a dozen.
please tell me how the h22 is any more of a big block than the f22? they are both 2.2L.....and by the way its no longer the "big block".
the f22 block will handle plenty of power. I hate to tell you but psi has nothing to do with how much power a car does or does not make. It is all about CFM. For example:
t25 @ 9psi might net the h22 240whp
t3 57 trim @ 9 psi might get 280whp
60-1 @ 9 psi might get 320whp
do you see the inaccuracy of your statement? Each of those turbos is running the exact same PSI...which means jack **** when it comes to power. Each of those turbos flow a different amount of air. As the turbo gets bigger the more air it can move on the exact same pressure level.
Also it is not PSI that breaks things it is HP!
And I don't know what you are smoking but your statment about the h22 handling 30psi???WTF are you talking about?
TO the OP:
make a goal and go for it. If you want a turbo car (which will not hurt the driveability or reliability) then just boost the f22. If you want an all motor car build the f22....
The f22 is a very underestimated motor. you can always put the h22 head on the f22 if you really want the DOHC vtec. The f22a head is a great flowing head as well.
For the money you would spend on the h22a swap you could either turbo or build a pretty nice all motor build.
Its really up to you. All three options will meet your goals it all just depends on how you want to go about it.
I have an all motor h22 (ported head, flat valves, s2p1 cams, s2 valvetrain, s2 pro cam gears, hytec rep header, etc) in my car and I wish I would have build the f22. I did the swap 7 years ago, long before what I know now.
Look further down the road than tomorrow. What are you ultimate goals and what is it going to take to get there?
Arias pistons are the exact same price for the H22 and for the F22. Good thing about the f22 is that it does not require new sleeves.
Here I was talking about the f engine and how pistons and rods are not as readily available as say a b16,18,h22,k24 4g63, and so on. Forged pistons for these cars are a dime a dozen.
please tell me how the h22 is any more of a big block than the f22? they are both 2.2L.....and by the way its no longer the "big block".
the f22 block will handle plenty of power. I hate to tell you but psi has nothing to do with how much power a car does or does not make. It is all about CFM. For example:
t25 @ 9psi might net the h22 240whp
t3 57 trim @ 9 psi might get 280whp
60-1 @ 9 psi might get 320whp
do you see the inaccuracy of your statement? Each of those turbos is running the exact same PSI...which means jack **** when it comes to power. Each of those turbos flow a different amount of air. As the turbo gets bigger the more air it can move on the exact same pressure level.
Also it is not PSI that breaks things it is HP!
And I don't know what you are smoking but your statment about the h22 handling 30psi???WTF are you talking about?
TO the OP:
make a goal and go for it. If you want a turbo car (which will not hurt the driveability or reliability) then just boost the f22. If you want an all motor car build the f22....
The f22 is a very underestimated motor. you can always put the h22 head on the f22 if you really want the DOHC vtec. The f22a head is a great flowing head as well.
For the money you would spend on the h22a swap you could either turbo or build a pretty nice all motor build.
Its really up to you. All three options will meet your goals it all just depends on how you want to go about it.
I have an all motor h22 (ported head, flat valves, s2p1 cams, s2 valvetrain, s2 pro cam gears, hytec rep header, etc) in my car and I wish I would have build the f22. I did the swap 7 years ago, long before what I know now.
Look further down the road than tomorrow. What are you ultimate goals and what is it going to take to get there?
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Re: H22 swap?
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I highly doubt this motor will nuke any time soon. The F22 motor is a perfectly good choice for tuning. The problem here is everyone is sooo big on swapping motors in hondas rather then working with what they have. And what you have is a very capable motor. This is what makes DSM guys so interesting if you troll their forums, those guys would rather do some research and make some random *** swappable parts work in their internals rather than throw down the big bucks and follow the band wagon to some silly *** over priced swap. What this guy is doing here is a big step up for the f22, and development of other projects in general. I personally have been spending sometime trying to find a cheap source for internals and a possibility to stroker on the cheap like DSM guys use 4g64 cranks and custom pistons. swapping to an H22 just to boost is utterly pointless, your going to spend all that money putting in a motor with stock internals only to spend the money then to boost it, and then only to spend it again to build the bottom end. sounds dumb to me. So far the above link is a proven build and very well put together. The only thing I don't like is the low 8:1 comp. 9:1 is the best for a well setup boosted motor. So I guess all you would have to do is find some higher comp 4g63 stroker pistons which I have seen made for 10:1. Or shave the head, or find a slightly longer rod.
I highly doubt this motor will nuke any time soon. The F22 motor is a perfectly good choice for tuning. The problem here is everyone is sooo big on swapping motors in hondas rather then working with what they have. And what you have is a very capable motor. This is what makes DSM guys so interesting if you troll their forums, those guys would rather do some research and make some random *** swappable parts work in their internals rather than throw down the big bucks and follow the band wagon to some silly *** over priced swap. What this guy is doing here is a big step up for the f22, and development of other projects in general. I personally have been spending sometime trying to find a cheap source for internals and a possibility to stroker on the cheap like DSM guys use 4g64 cranks and custom pistons. swapping to an H22 just to boost is utterly pointless, your going to spend all that money putting in a motor with stock internals only to spend the money then to boost it, and then only to spend it again to build the bottom end. sounds dumb to me. So far the above link is a proven build and very well put together. The only thing I don't like is the low 8:1 comp. 9:1 is the best for a well setup boosted motor. So I guess all you would have to do is find some higher comp 4g63 stroker pistons which I have seen made for 10:1. Or shave the head, or find a slightly longer rod.
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Re: H22 swap?
Well getting a full kit off ebay with Chinese made turbos may not be the best approach but he is right. But there are plenty of people on this forum that are always parting out their oen turbo projects with very decent parts for good prices as well.
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Re: H22 swap?
you guys are right i could turbo my car as it sits but if it blows up what am i gonna drive for who knows how long.. if im gonna turbo my car im gonna build the motor to last, and thats not cheap. 700$ pistons and rods 150-300 spings retainers injectors 100$ intercooler 300 with piping custom down pipe 100$ turbo and manifold anywhere from 100-1000's tuning 400-500$ clutch to hold the power 300, ecu 100-300, but your right i COULD just order an ebay turbo kit. but i need my car to be semi reliable, it seems like no one knows the saying "cheap, fast, reliable pick two" and its true...
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Re: H22 swap?
you dont need new springs or retainers...
on the stock block and a good tune you are good to 250whp easy. you dont have to build the block right off the bat.
besides f22's are so much cheaper than h22's so if it does go you aren't out much
on the stock block and a good tune you are good to 250whp easy. you dont have to build the block right off the bat.
besides f22's are so much cheaper than h22's so if it does go you aren't out much
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Re: H22 swap?
I'm looking to do an H22A swap for my 2002 Accord EX Coupe. Can anybody help me determine all the parts I need? So far, I know I need a 96' Prelude 5-speed ECU (OBD-II Model P5P w/ no immobilizer unit), Prelude half shafts, all radiator hoses from a 96' Prelude, and an H22A 5-speed trans. But what about engine mounts? Wiring harness? Trans mounts? I would appreciate all replies greatly.
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I'm looking to do an H22A swap for my 2002 Accord EX Coupe. Can anybody help me determine all the parts I need? So far, I know I need a 96' Prelude 5-speed ECU (OBD-II Model P5P w/ no immobilizer unit), Prelude half shafts, all radiator hoses from a 96' Prelude, and an H22A 5-speed trans. But what about engine mounts? Wiring harness? Trans mounts? I would appreciate all replies greatly.
And to si man, your gonna need motor mounts and I think axles "hasport" I think is the name they have what you need.
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Re: H22 swap?
yeah I have the engine already in lined that I had seen it on http://www.jdmenginescorp.com/engine...5spd-trans-ecu : the engine has all of it and the motor motor mounts I'm Getting are from Hasport and the also the traction bars from another company but what I needed is a good guide line in how to install the motor in the car. Sorry I wasn't so good in explaining something good.