I'm trying to get some clarification on the Outlaw Street rules. I keep being told that certain things are not legal even though they are not in the rules. How is a person supposed to know these items are not allowed if it's not in the rules. I have been class racing for 20 years now and it is commonly known that if it doesn't say it's illegal-it's legal.

What brings this on is that i'm helping a friend with his Outlaw car and we were talking about fuel pumps and i said mechanical,he tells me it's illegal and i surely don't see it in the rules.

Thanks for any help



Rules

Race Format: Quick 16 field, Pro ladder, Heads-up, Pro tree, No breakout. 1/4 mile Drag Racing.

General: All vehicles and Drivers must comply with NHRA / IHRA / NSCRA safety rules and regulations. Engine catch pan or diaper is not required, but recommended. Chassis certification and Driver licensing must be completed prior to event. NSCRA rules are subject to change based on the National Sport Compact Racing Association's commitment and dedication to competitive racing for every enthusiast.

Body: Import or domestic compact car bodies allowed. Doors must open and close from inside and outside the vehicle. Lightweight components are limited to hood, front fenders, deck lid, hatches, sunroofs, wings, ground effects, and bumpers only. Roof, Quarter panels, and doors must remain steel. Widened front fenders are permitted on FWD cars to cover tire. One-piece front ends are not permitted. No body parts may be removed during competition.

Chassis: All cars must retain complete stock chassis, floorboard, firewall, and frame rails. Notching of chassis for clearance is permitted. Mini-tubs are permitted on RWD cars.

Suspension: All cars must utilize stock front and rear suspension and mounts, however ladder bars are permitted on cars with straight rear axle (four links are prohibited). Wheelie bars are prohibited on all cars. Aftermarket front and rear control arms, struts, shocks, and sub-frame connectors are permitted.

Street Equipment: Headlights and brake lights are required (one headlight may be removed for induction).

Windows: All windows must be OEM glass. Windows do not need to be functional.

Interior: Stock dashboard and full interior from front seats forward is required (both front seats are required). Aftermarket seats, gauges, and interior are permitted. Dashboard must be OEM stock (vents, clusters, radio, etc may be removed but drivers encouraged to use block-off panels in their place).

Exhaust: Muffler(s) are required unless turbocharged. Exhaust may exit through hood, fenders, or underneath the car.

Electronics: Two-steps, data loggers, aftermarket ECU’s, and engine management systems are allowed.

Driveline: Open to FWD, RWD, and AWD cars. IRS conversions to straight axle are prohibited.

Transmission: Any type automatic transmission is permitted. Trans-brakes are permitted. FWD and AWD cars with manual transmission must be clutch assisted and utilize OEM case only (aftermarket internals are permitted). RWD cars with manual transmission may utilize OEM transmission or a non-sequential, H-pattern aftermarket transmission (weight penalty for aftermarket transmission, see below). Sequential transmissions are prohibited. Aftermarket bell housings, axles, gears, spools, and differentials are permitted.

Clutch / Shifter: The use of slider, adjustable, or any “Slipper style” clutch prohibited. Two discs maximum. Clutch must be manually operated by driver’s foot. Shifter must be H-pattern. Air shifters and electric shifters are prohibited.

Engine: Only OEM 4-cylinder, 6-cylinder, and 2-rotor engines are permitted. Any internal engine modifications are permitted. Engine must be of automotive import origin or offered as OEM in compact cars sold in North America. Motor swaps of same manufacturer or different manufacturers are allowed as long as they meet weight requirements. Aftermarket blocks are permitted on 4-cylinder vehicles only.

Induction: Any style intake is permitted. EFI or carburetors are permitted.

Power Adders: Turbochargers, Superchargers and Nitrous Oxide Systems permitted in any combination. Turbochargers are measured at the inducer wheel diameter at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the inlet housing.

Intercooling: Liquid intercoolers and air intercoolers are permitted. Water injection is permitted. Methanol injection is prohibited.

Fuel: Gasoline and E-85 permitted, Alcohol is prohibited. Aftermarket fuel cells are permitted and may be mounted in engine bay or rear of vehicle.

Tires: All tires are checked by sidewall designation
FWD cars: Maximum size slick or bias ply tire is 26.0” x 10.5” or any size DOT radial tire is permitted.
RWD cars: Maximum size slick or bias ply tire is 28.0” x 10.5” or any size DOT radial tire is permitted.
AWD cars: Maximum size slick or bias ply tire is 26.0” x 10.5” or any size DOT radial tire is permitted.

Minimum Weights: All minimum weights include the driver.

Engine Driveline Maximum Turbocharger Minimum Weight

2-rotor RWD 80.9 mm single
60.9 mm twins 2500 lbs

4-cylinder FWD 72.9 mm 2400 lbs

4-cylinder RWD 72.9 mm 2500 lbs

4-cylinder AWD 72.9 mm 2800 lbs

6-cylinder FWD 72.9 mm 2400 lbs

6-cylinder RWD Manual 80.9 mm single
60.9 mm twins 3200 lbs

6-cylinder RWD Auto 76.9 mm single
58.9 mm twins 3200 lbs

6-cylinder AWD 80.9 mm single
60.9 mm twins 3200 lbs


* Add 50 lbs. for FWD cars with automatic transmission
* Add 100 lbs. for RWD cars with non-sequential H-pattern aftermarket transmission
* Add 100 lbs. for vehicles combining turbocharger with nitrous oxide
* Deduct 100 lbs. for SOHC cars
* Deduct 200 lbs. for cars powered by nitrous only

 

Its legal for NSCRA rules. Thats ok if you and your "friend" plan on only running in Florida, ever. If you want to run in multiple events you'll want to build with in all the rules at once.


Shawn if you built an outlaw car for me, its gonna be alright when I advertise that my company built it right?

 

excuse me for my ignorance,i'm a bit of an import newb. where are these events and where can i find all of these rules.

I'm not building a car for anyone-just helping with some technical input.

 

It's legal, bus some people are against it.... for no good reason either.

 

hmm... i really can't see a performance advantage in it. it's more for saving an engine. very rarely do mech fuel pumps fail,but i have seen my fair share of electric pump problems burning up good engines

 

its not even illegal for the outlaw race at Etown...technically. The rules don't speak against them. Its been a Grey area since NOPI and NHRA Disappeared.

I wish they would become the norm, my *** would switch in a second to a mech fuel pump.

 

the way it works in import racing is...... if its not written as "illegal" its legal at the first event you run at.....then, if you are "accepted" they will change the rules and it will then be written into the rules that it is "legal". if your not "accepted", it will then be written into the rules that it is "illegal"

once it becomes "legal" everybody else will then change their set up to put the new "legal" part on their car. there are cars that have been "finished" for years, but dont ever make it to the track because of this whole situation haha

id imagine shawn is going to run nscra and the outlaw race. so email brian and roger to check clarification for the outlaw race, and then email john and jason for nscra. if they say its a go, then your good

 

Great thread. I've been asking rule questions for awhile now? There's alot of grey.

 

[quote=PaulPero;43852011]Its legal for NSCRA rules. Thats ok if you and your "friend" plan on only running in Florida, ever. If you want to run in multiple events you'll want to build with in all the rules at once.


Shawn if you built an outlaw car for me, its gonna be alright when I advertise that my company built it right?[/quote]

of course, isnt that what everyone does? built or tuned? doesent have to even be the whole car.....

 

Just run a mechanical pump. I plan on it.

 

I can see it in my future one day too, but I need to make the power you make first.... lol

 

Good luck with that

 

Tell me about it.... after seeing how much money he has in his engine program I thought about 67mm for a good min. lol

 

You're thinking in the wrong direction.

Smaller turbo = you need to spend even more money to still run internet worthy numbers.

Like when top fuel went from 90% to 85% nitro - they just started running more compression and the crankshafts lasted 2-3 passes instead of 10-12 passes.


The cheapest way to do go pretty fast is to cheat your *** off, and make sure to not finish first and come under any scrutiny.

 

Lol Kevin.

 

if your not allowed it should say it. It doesn't say it so why even ask. Just run it and never say a word about it. you've done no wrong. Bringing it up on here is like starting a fire storm. Everyone who doesn't even race but thinks maybe one day they will will be against it cuase they can't afford the change. This is TRUTH I hope you learn from it.

 

I hope your joking. I dont know what you call "internet worthy" times, but I've been pretty fast and I spend nowhere even close to what the Outlaw guys do. Christ I went .3X's on stock cams.

 

you can step down from your pedestal now.

I don't know how bring up something can cause a fire storm. just asking a question because i heard conflicting stories. If it's legal and i ask about it,it shouldn't be an issue to talk about.

i would rather know now rather than they outlaw it after one race.

 

thanks for everyones input,i guess the consensus is that if it doesn't say it's illegal-it's legal. i guess next year you will be seeing a honda that doesn't look very much like what you are used to seeing

 

Can't wait!

 

My posts are 50% joking and 50% hard truths that people don't want to hear, as seen from the sidelines and staging lines of this declining sport.

Rick your car is one of my favorites, your **** is fast as hell. I'm not talking about any of you guys that actually go to the events.

I'm talking about the guys on this site that build and re-build their cars, aren't going to any events, going broke, and quitting, because they are worrying about what the "big guys" have. E-racers.

And I'm talking about how, someone could come in and take advantage of all the rules, build a custom divided T4 200mm (lol) turbine wheel, 67.9mm compressor, with all of the car tricks, and go an 8.x. And then half of the this website will be tripping over themselves blowing all of their money copying that guy.

 

I can agree with that statement 100%. I like to race my junk no matter what it has or what it runs lol

Thanks for the comment. IMO the trick is seat time and tweaking on your set up.