It's hurting my head...

Maybe there is some detail that I am missing, so I'll start from the beginning.

Ok, this morning I pull out of my house and get about one block away and realised I forgot something. Popped a u, and head back. Pull up in front of the house, and cut off the engine. In and out in less than a minute.

Get back on the road, and to beat some traffice I romp on the accelerator. I get to the next light, and the engine cuts off.

There was a fant smell of gas, but it happens after I romp on it.

I tried to start it back up several time, but it wont. It cranks, and cranks but doesn't start.

Checked the fuses, but didn't see any burnt.

I get my neighbor to help me tow it back. While it was being towed, I tried bump starting. It tries to start, but when I pump the gas it won't catch.

Yes, I have gas (the gauge reads half-tank). But I added about a gallon just in case.

I was thinking, my fuel pump took the crap. I toss in an old one that I had lay around (which I knew was working before), but nothing. I do hear the pump prime. But still, it won't fire up.

I was going to test the relay (big gray box), but oddly the number on the relay itself, doesn't match the reference in the manual, nor any pix I have found online. The number runs ascending along the short length (not the long, like what I have seen). Should I ignore the numbering printed on the relay?

From my net surfing, I've read everything main relay, clugged fuel filter (I took a look at it, and do see gas at the exit), timing/distributor, spark plug cables. I missed the parts store, by about 8 mins, I was out of luck.

What gives??? Any ideas? I want to bounce it by you guys, before I run out to the store tomorrow.

Details on the car.

1998 Integra RS, manual
120K miles (i did the timing belt at 90K).
Boosted (8 psi), stock injectors with an FMU (yes, someone is probably going to complain about it).

Thanks in advance.

 

code(s)?

 

There has to be at least 5 threads that have all been up recently giving all the troubleshooting steps for this.
Along with 20 other threads about it that are older.
Lol

Honda-tech is starting to become the official "Honda for dummies"

 

id try a new dizzy, ive had one randomly die on me before an had the same symptoms.

it seems like a trend in modded b-series distributors that do, theres a relay in there (not sure what its called) that frys and can be easily replaced, or just buy a new/ used one.

 

TDC Sensor

 

ah yes, thanks EHondaJDM, it was on the tip of the tongue.

 

well, if it's the tdc, it should set a code

 

That's why I'm asking. There are many threads out there, and they're all over the place. Maybe you should drop the "Honda for dummies" and pick up "Hooked on Phonics".

I'm thinking there is something in the details of what happen that may give a pinpoint of what is the cause.

ryanangelo212: MFR (Main Fuel Relay)? Like I said in my post, the numbering is not the same as references. I was hesitant on putting 12v to it, until I can figure out what pin is what.

el crapitan: No codes.

Thanks for all your inputs.

 

Lol did I spell something wrong? And even if I did was I misinformed I didn't know this was a spelling bee otherwise I would've taken more time to type.

Hmm No codes?? Are you sure your getting fuel and spark? If you are id make sure your on timing just in case. Compression test just for ***** n giggles.

 

scartail Start by determining what is "missing", fuel or spark, it's easy to do...

The most basic test, do you hear the fuel pump priming?
Turn ign. switch to run, [not start] you should hear the fuel pump running for a few sec. the CEL will be on and turn off at the same time the fuel pump stops priming, is that all happening?
If so... try and start the engine, 2 or 3 2-3 second crank attempts, then immediately remove a spark plug, is it wet with gas, does it smell of gas, if you put a match to it will it light up?
If so... reconnect the spark plug lead and ground the plug to the engine and have someone crank the engine so you can check for spark.

Test the above and get back to use. 94

 

Sorry to thread jack but FCM check this out
https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-6/abs-pump-vibrates-40mph-2845357/

 

nah, if it was your mfr you wouldnt be getting gas.
like fcm is saying, first check to make sure the fuel pump is working, just listen for it when you turn your key to the on position. assuming thats okay, then check for spark. if you have both and still wont start id definitely try a new dizzy, because if it is the tdc it can essentially cause the spark to come at the wrong time. ive seen that situation alot on b series including my own.

 

I'll poke around some more.

 

God im burnt lol

 

Have you done what other have suggested and check for spark? If your car cranks and you have fuel, I would have to suspect the ignition coil. I would again suggest that you check for spark, but it appears you don't want to do that since it was mentioned so many times and yet you still want to poke around...

 

What are you guys?? You don't work??

Like I said, it tried bump starting when it being towed. It look like it was going to start.

I'll get around to it. I don't have an extra person to crank it over while I stare at the plug. I'll figure out something.

And yes, I have time to surf the net (at work).

Oh, yes oh might ones. I'm going quit everything right now, and run home and check my spark. and my flux capacitor.

 

Yea, wrong tread. 94

 

1.crack the fuel line at the rail and cycle the key. if you have fuel,
2.check for spark. pay attention to make sure it's consistent, and not random. if that checks out,
3.check timing. possible you may have jumped a tooth. if timing checks out,
4.check compression

 

[QUOTE=el crapitan;43806110]1.crack the fuel line at the rail and cycle the key. if you have fuel,
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Make sure you cover the end with a rag or else you'll have gas all over

 

i looked through the first posted but i still dont think this was answered or asked, Is the car completely dead as far as spark or does it kinda stumble and back fire a bit. be series distributors especially in these year integras suck ***, i would guess that thats your problem, if your timing jumped at tooth it would still run but like complete crap so i would wait to check that one.

you did say it acted like it wanted to start when it was being towed

 

Thanks for all the help guys.

I was able to confirm the fuel. I didn't smell fuel in the cylinder, but did smell some in the exhaust pipe. But I did the crude check for fuel pressure (loosen the banjo bolt on the filter).

Then I moved on to the spark. You guys who guessed spark were right. I didn't get any sparks, but the plugs looked funny (it has been a while since the plugs were replaced). The gap was really large. I'll have to test it again, b/c my grounding may not have been so good. I used a vice-grip, clamped down on the metal portion of the plug. I positioned it so I can see it between the hood (so I can see it). And wrapped wire around the vice-grip, and put the other end to ground. Getting closer.

Anyway, thanks for all the help. I'll go thru the manual to test out the rest. Living alone, certain things are easier to do than others.

Thanks for reading it. There are so many ppl who just throw stuff out, without explaining why. The first thing I sense when it cut off was gas.