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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 10:33 AM
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so im new to this and i was wondering if u guys can help me out, i got a 95 accord lx with a f22 and i wanna get a better engine. i was told i should use a b16 but i was thinking of getting a v6 if possible, which would give me better performance? srry if this sounds like a stupid question, im still new to this whole thing

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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 11:05 AM
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 11:36 AM
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If you maintain the vehicle the stock engine should go at least 500k miles. That's pretty good if you ask me.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 12:16 PM
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That generation of Accord came with the C27 as an option, but the aftermarket for it is slim at best. It's probably a better and cheaper option to play with the f22 you have.

I have heard that people put the 6th gen 3.0l V6 in that year, but the cost of doing so would be kinda big, and more than likely a huge headache.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by smigga77
so im new to this and i was wondering if u guys can help me out, i got a 95 accord lx with a f22 and i wanna get a better engine. i was told i should use a b16 but i was thinking of getting a v6 if possible, which would give me better performance? srry if this sounds like a stupid question, im still new to this whole thing

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I have heard that people put the 6th gen 3.0l V6 in that year, but the cost of doing so would be kinda big, and more than likely a huge headache.
never been done in a 5th gen accord
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 01:39 PM
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V6 all the way man...
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 01:46 PM
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V6 all the way man...
Christ,

Users, do not post random stuff if you do not know what you are talking about at all. The 5th Gen V6 is completely different in the front end and is not a easy swap nor has anyone bothered doing it due to the lack of power and the additional weight associated with it. Suggesting and saying some people have swapped in the V6 from the 6th gen is also incorrect. No one has done it. You are trying to merge the CL-S's J32 6-speed swap into Civics and one 6th Gen Accord. This has not been done on a 5th Gen Accord at all.

Go through the Accord FAQ and as I noted in the other thread there are 3/4 swap options with guides right there. In addition to those there is also the K series swaps that only a few users have done/in process of.

DO NOT POST MISINFORMATION :h ammer::ham mer:
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 05:26 PM
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Or, you could upgrade to a 4-stage VTEC option. Easy 100hp.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 05:26 PM
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Or, you could upgrade to a 4-stage VTEC option. Easy 100hp.
Or this.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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yea it can last a long time but i wanna drop another engine cus i want power gain. so i shouldnt bother with a v6? i was thinking of getting a bigger throttle body, high performance fuel pump, bigger fuel injectors, performance fuel rail, and a performance cat back system, would this give me a descent amount of power gain or is it a waste of time and money considering the engine i have?
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 07:13 PM
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yea it can last a long time but i wanna drop another engine cus i want power gain. so i shouldnt bother with a v6? i was thinking of getting a bigger throttle body, high performance fuel pump, bigger fuel injectors, performance fuel rail, and a performance cat back system, would this give me a descent amount of power gain or is it a waste of time and money considering the engine i have?
with the F??? dont waste your time with it unless your boosting it...do all that to a H
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 07:39 PM
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and by boosting u mean wat exactly? srry im not completely familiar with much of this =|
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Boosting means turbocharging or supercharging. Your most reasonable swap would be the popular H22 swap. If you are looking for a less expensive option, alot of guys are happy with the F23a1. Its very torquey. Both swaps will require an ECU swap as well as some minor wiring. Ditch the F22 transmission for an H22 or H23 gearbox. Im assuming your car is a 5 spd?
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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You know I was going to start naming off all sorts of suggestions, but then I saw this:

Originally Posted by smigga77
and by boosting u mean wat exactly? srry I'M NOT COMPLETELY FAMILIAR with much of this =|
And then I realized this:
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Was the best response after all.

Now, being uninformed is fine. Everyone has to start at sometime and somewhere. But you need to do quite a bit more hands on research before you go swappin' motors and changing "mad" VTEC engagement points and all that mess.

I know more reading is probably not the answer you want to hear, but it will save you headaches in the long run. Learn more about your car and your engine and I think you might realize there's no need to run a whole new one...

I'll give you a start, it's just a "little" project by one of HT's finest, GhostAccord. I urge you to look at all the different things involved and see that if you take your time and do some research you can end up with something awesome.
HINT: He is using the same engine as you!

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...ighlight=F22b2

You can look at turbo setups yourself. They aren't hard to find.

Good luck!
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 92civlude
Boosting means turbocharging or supercharging. Your most reasonable swap would be the popular H22 swap. If you are looking for a less expensive option, alot of guys are happy with the F23a1. Its very torquey. Both swaps will require an ECU swap as well as some minor wiring. Ditch the F22 transmission for an H22 or H23 gearbox. Im assuming your car is a 5 spd?
there are no benifits to swaping to a F23 in 5th gen accords other than like 5hp and if im not mistaken you can run a f23 on a f22b1 ecu...your thinking of 4th gen accords
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 10:48 PM
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92civlude: oh ok, i was thinking it meant that or jacking cars lol nah its a 4 speed automatic =|

Bwill9886: damn that was usefull! i always thought of doing something like that to the intake manifold but thought it wasnt possible! haha
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 11:21 PM
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get the euro h22 or any h22
ur car is toooooooooooo heavy for b16
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 06:16 AM
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there are no benifits to swaping to a F23
The torque is comparable to an H22. I did one in a 94 Accord coupe. Some bolt-ons. Ran strong! Customer was very happy. Im doing one in a 95 civic hatch right now.
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The torque is comparable to an H22. I did one in a 94 Accord coupe. Some bolt-ons. Ran strong! Customer was very happy. Im doing one in a 95 civic hatch right now.
Well kinda, but for the effort it isn't worth it. The H22A has higher revs and more horsepower and more torque. You are better off doing the H swap than F23 swap for the time/money spent. Its transmission is also geared towards more acceleration vs the transmission in the F22/23 which is more for gas mileage.

F22B1
  • Max power: 145 hp (108 kW) @ 5500 rpm
  • Max torque: 147 ft·lbf (199 N m) @ 4500 rpm
F23A1
  • Max power: 150 hp (112 kW) @ 5700 rpm
  • Max torque: 152 ft·lbf (205 N m) @ 4900 rpm
H22A
  • Max power: 197 hp @ 6,800 rpm
  • Max torque: 161.50 ft·lbf @ 5,500 rpm
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 07:35 AM
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H22 Boosted and sleeved go for it !!!!!!!!!!
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Well kinda, F23 swap for the time/money spent. Its transmission is also geared towards more acceleration

Consider. Its an upgrade for about half the price of an H22. When I did the swap on the Accord, the guy thought he was settling for the F23 because he could afford the H22. But when we went on our first test run, We were impressed. The car pulled hard. His car was an EX so it was a cinch. Ditched the F22 trans for an M2S4. I would leave the option on the table.

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Consider. Its an upgrade for about half the price of an H22. When I did the swap on the Accord, the guy thought he was settling for the F23 because he could afford the H22. But when we went on our first test run, I was impressed. The car pulled hard. His car was an EX so it was a cinch. Ditched the F23 trans for an M2S4. I would leave the option on the table.
5hp/5ft-lb doesn't seem worth the effort. Putting that transmission on the B1 probably would have had similar effect.

Staying with an F I would have kept the B1 and done a Bisimoto cam and tuned from that. Jumping up 50hp and 15ft-lb seems much more worth the time.
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Staying with an F I would have kept the B1 and done a Bisimoto cam and tuned from that. Jumping up 50hp and 15ft-lb seems much more worth the time.
Fair enough. And I did add header, intake and the new trans. Maybe added 5 hp. But it didnt feel like 5lbft. of torque over the F22. Ive never seen an F23 on a dyno. I wonder how flat the tq curve is relative to the F22.
The car is an automatic. The OP seems new to the Honda Swap World. It probably wont happen anyway.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 09:04 AM
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yea i am very new to it, im trying to search as much before i actually do anything big
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 09:13 AM
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5hp/5ft-lb doesn't seem worth the effort. Putting that transmission on the B1 probably would have had similar effect.

Staying with an F I would have kept the B1 and done a Bisimoto cam and tuned from that. Jumping up 50hp and 15ft-lb seems much more worth the time.
My thoughts exactly. (Of course if the B1 would've been unrecoverable, sure, go ahead and pick up an F23a1!)

Now that Bisimoto has the SOHC game easier and EVEN cheaper to get into, there's no reason to swap between SOHC's of the same series. Just upgrade the one you got!

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92civlude: oh ok, i was thinking it meant that or jacking cars lol nah its a 4 speed automatic =|

Bwill9886: damn that was usefull! i always thought of doing something like that to the intake manifold but thought it wasnt possible! haha
Your first mod to think about then should be the 5 spd swap.

Keep reading that thread because there's a lot of tips in there. It is definitely possible to do ITB's but just don't expect it to be easy! GhostAccord is still tweaking his setup.

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yea i am very new to it, im trying to search as much before i actually do anything big
You are miles ahead of many other new guys then. Stay on that path.
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