All Motor / Naturally Aspirated No power adders

How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 2, 2010 | 10:22 AM
  #1  
Black R's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
25 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,949
Likes: 8
From: Atlantis
Icon6 How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

I'm approaching 50k miles on a 'built' head using all toda parts.

As I was thinking about freshening up the head, I was just wondering what the life cycle of them is.

I know that race miles and street miles are vastly different, but it would be interesting to note or compare.
Reply
Old Sep 2, 2010 | 10:54 AM
  #2  
ruffrhyder's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,537
Likes: 0
From: Earth
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

Just throwing it out there, my very first build was over 120k when it was rebuilt, and not cause it was blown, but because the new owner of the motor wanted a bit more CR. Supertech springs, valves and oem retainers, with S2S2 cams.
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2010 | 07:05 AM
  #3  
VtecKiDD's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,899
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

Originally Posted by Black R
I'm approaching 50k miles on a 'built' head using all toda parts.

As I was thinking about freshening up the head, I was just wondering what the life cycle of them is.

I know that race miles and street miles are vastly different, but it would be interesting to note or compare.
isnt there a way to measure valvespring elasticity or whatever. I know Don told me there was a way to check it.

Everything ive been told says they are a wear item and you should prob ditch them for safety sake.

How long they last depends on revs, and how hard you drive it. I would say invest in the new valvesprings personally.
Reply
Old Sep 9, 2010 | 07:09 AM
  #4  
neverstop's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 550
Likes: 1
From: norcal
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

Originally Posted by ruffrhyder
Just throwing it out there, my very first build was over 120k when it was rebuilt, and not cause it was blown, but because the new owner of the motor wanted a bit more CR. Supertech springs, valves and oem retainers, with S2S2 cams.
that is awesome man. I think that is a record for a built motor as far as what I've seen. must have been built right.

to the OP, I'd just put new valve springs in there, cheap insurance.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2010 | 07:43 PM
  #5  
Black R's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
25 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,949
Likes: 8
From: Atlantis
Icon6 Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

Originally Posted by VtecKiDD
isnt there a way to measure valvespring elasticity or whatever. I know Don told me there was a way to check it.

Everything ive been told says they are a wear item and you should prob ditch them for safety sake.

How long they last depends on revs, and how hard you drive it. I would say invest in the new valvesprings personally.


From what chunky told me, valvesprings will start to get stiffer right before they get to the point in their lifecycle before they become brittle and snap.

Basically, it's like they get stiff then boom. haha
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2010 | 09:31 PM
  #6  
raverx3m's Avatar
B*a*n*n*e*d
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 5,222
Likes: 2
From: sea,WA in my car
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

well they are measured by the lbf for certain compression so you can probably see the difference from NEW specs
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2010 | 07:18 AM
  #7  
unusual71's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,734
Likes: 2
From: Canada
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

yeah maybe ask the manu what they say for tolerance but my guess is the valves should stay withen a few percent lbf compression
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2010 | 10:55 AM
  #8  
pasaunde's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 670
Likes: 0
From: InterWebbs, NC
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

Originally Posted by ruffrhyder
Just throwing it out there, my very first build was over 120k when it was rebuilt, and not cause it was blown, but because the new owner of the motor wanted a bit more CR. Supertech springs, valves and oem retainers, with S2S2 cams.
Are you saying you went 120,000 miles with S2S2 Cams and Super tech springs??

At 50K I would be thinking seriously about changing a sub $200 dollar part to protect the rest of the motor.

The way you drive is the big wild card, I've had timing belts fail around 40K (half recommended service life). I suspect it was due to long term exposer at 8000 rpms.
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2010 | 11:02 AM
  #9  
bakomack's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 687
Likes: 0
From: Bakersfield, ca, usa
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

Originally Posted by Black R
From what chunky told me, valvesprings will start to get stiffer right before they get to the point in their lifecycle before they become brittle and snap.

Basically, it's like they get stiff then boom. haha
like a 2 stroke dirt bike, pulls the best right before she ****in explodes lol
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2010 | 11:20 AM
  #10  
DDTECH's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 7,635
Likes: 3
From: Baton Rouge,Louisiana
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

I'd safely say, no more then two
I put my crower full race valvetrain and ti retainers through 4 change overs and 6 sets of cams.. i then switched to pro series .. the retainers on the crowers looked like **** tho...after 4 years of abuse..

i'd safely do 2 cycles.
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2010 | 12:38 PM
  #11  
pr0honda's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 708
Likes: 0
From: middleburg, florida, usa
Default Re: How many miles or 'cycles' are aftermarket valve springs good for?

Originally Posted by ALL M0T0R
I'd safely say, no more then two
I put my crower full race valvetrain and ti retainers through 4 change overs and 6 sets of cams.. i then switched to pro series .. the retainers on the crowers looked like **** tho...after 4 years of abuse..

i'd safely do 2 cycles.
That would mean you would change the springs after the engine turned over 4 times. That would be 2 cycles per spring. @9000 rpm's a valve spring goes up & down @ 1.25 times per second. Or 270,000 times per hour. Think about it.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
NotAJDMFanBoy
Honda Prelude
3
Apr 16, 2012 09:31 AM
alpha
Classifieds: Forced Induction
22
Nov 25, 2006 07:14 PM
alpha
For Sale
14
Nov 11, 2006 06:55 AM
BoBo Racing
Acura Integra Type-R
13
Mar 22, 2006 05:47 PM
ITRnorway
Acura Integra Type-R
4
Mar 6, 2006 07:21 AM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:01 PM.