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1995 EH2 - A/C blows hot + not through all vents

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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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Default 1995 EH2 - A/C blows hot + not through all vents

Yeah, I know it's already going to be the end of summer time but now that I've fixed other parts of the car, I'm turning to bring my interior back up to date - starting with the A/C.

Basically, it blows hot air constantly. Never cold. I guess at night time it's a little cooler, but that might just be because it's not as hot outside and the air doesn't seem that hot. Also, the A/C comes out strongest at the windshield vent. Both the passenger and drivers side vents are weaker, with the two center vents being the weakest.

If anybody could lead me in the direction of what I should check out first, I'd appreciate it. I've already searched a few times, but it's mostly people asking how to recharge, how to install, or how to take out their A/C.

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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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The vent issue may be caused by a mode control motor problem.

When you press the A/C button with the vent blower running, does the condenser fan run and/or does the compressor clutch engage.

Do you know whether the system is low on refrigerant?
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 06:41 PM
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Sorry, I'm not sure where exactly the condensor fan or the compressor clutch is Do you mind posting up a diagram so I can go check it? My car's right outside so I'll have an answer in ~10 minutes.

And no, I have not checked the pressure levels. I wanted to see if all the parts were working properly before, but maybe I should regardless?
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 06:45 PM
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Actually, nevermind. Just checked and the fan on the condensor DOESN'T turn on. I'm a fool at wiring, so is this something I could check out myself? I've wired my fogs + sidemarkers, but nothing more complicated.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 06:46 PM
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Does the A/C button light up when it is pressed?

The condenser fan sits behind the condenser. It should run when the A/C button is pressed.

The compressor clutch is built around the compressor pulley, which is turned by the A/C belt. When the A/C is not on, the armature plate (face of the pulley) should not spin with the engine running. When the A/C button is pressed, the idle speed should increase and the armature plate should spin.



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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 06:49 PM
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Yes, the light on the A/C button comes on.

I'll go check the clutch/pulley right now.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 06:59 PM
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Hm.. I can't seem to figure out the whole clutch thing Maybe a diagram closer up? Sorry for my ignorance hahah.

Also, I checked the two wires coming from the condensor fan and the ground was still tight, and the other blue/black wire coming out was still connected into that plastic piece right next to the fan (not sure if it's working properly, though).
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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Check whether 20A hood fuse 35 is blown.

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When the A/C is not on, the armature plate (face of the pulley) should not spin with the engine running. When the A/C button is pressed, the idle speed should increase and the armature plate should spin.

Also, does the idle speed increase when you push the A/C button?

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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:08 PM
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What do I need to check if the fuse is blown? I might have to wait until tomorrow unless I can buy it from Pepboys/Kragen.

And thanks for the detailed explanation. When the A/C is not on, the idle drops and the plate doesn't spin. When I turn it on, the the plate DOES spin and the idle increases a little.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:15 PM
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The fact that the idle speed increases and the compressor clutch engages tells you that fuse 35 is fine.

Swap the condenser fan relay and compressor clutch relay. Does the condenser fan now run when the A/C button is pressed?




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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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Hold up.. I'm tryna swap the relays but I can't get the damn pins to depress so I can take them out of their current positions. >_<
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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Okay, got them out and switched them but the condensor fan didn't switch on.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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Also make sure the heater valve on the firewall is not stuck open, which would make hot air blow from the vents.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by .mattyz_
Okay, got them out and switched them but the condensor fan didn't switch on.
Okay. With the relays swapped, did the compressor clutch stop engaging? Or did it still behave the same as prior to the relay swap?
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:42 PM
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How do I get to the heater valve? Sorry for all the questions lol, but I really do appreciate your help.

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Okay. With the relays swapped, did the compressor clutch stop engaging? Or did it still behave the same as prior to the relay swap?
Yes, the compressor clutch didn't engage when I had the A/C on and the relays swapped.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by .mattyz_
How do I get to the heater valve? Sorry for all the questions lol, but I really do appreciate your help.
You can manually open and close the heater valve on the firewall. Make sure it is closed.

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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:50 PM
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very detailed help instead of the usual " use the search " button response.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:51 PM
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Yes, the compressor clutch didn't engage when I had the A/C on and the relays swapped.
Switch the relays back to their original positions. Does the compressor again engage? If so, the condenser fan relay is bad and needs to be replaced.

But the bad condenser fan relay is not the only problem, otherwise the fan would have run when the relays were swapped. Run a wire from the battery to the condenser fan to see whether it will run.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jmaze
very detailed help instead of the usual " use the search " button response.
Yeah Ron is the man , especially AC stuff
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:07 PM
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****. Now the actuator isn't moving when A/C is on. What'd I do?
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by .mattyz_
****. Now the actuator isn't moving when A/C is on. What'd I do?
Do you have a test light or multimeter?
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:17 PM
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I didn't, but a friend let me borrow his. What do I do?

I have a feeling it's the relays, when I unplugged them and looked at them, they looks kinda melted and not solid little holes like they should be.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:19 PM
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Did your friend lend your a multimeter or test light?

Post pictures of the two relays.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:45 PM
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It's a multimeter.

Here are the relays, forgive the cell phone pictures:




The first picture is the relay from the compressor, the second from the fan.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:50 PM
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Click the Test Fuses link in my signature. Set the multimeter to measure DC voltage and then use it to check whether 20A hood fuse 35 and 7.5A dash fuse 13 has voltage at both top test tabs. Test fuse 13 with the key in ON(II).

The pictures are blurry. Are the relay connectors melted?
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