ok first of all leave the ignorance at home cause nobody wants to here "omg waste of time" "waste of money" and "you can't do that"

ok im building a n/a motor over this winter to thow in a hatch probably. waste of time throwing it into my sedan. pos.

goal is to break 200hp at the crank.

this is where im at right now. (d16z6)

ported and polished head
p30 ecu 5.2k vtec and 9k rev (i will be chipping it to 4.4k vtec and 10k rev, also chipping out the knock sensor )

ya t hats pretty much it im posting for recommendations in what i should choose for parts and making power. and btw im not a idiot either i did go to UTI which don't make me the ****, just means i know enough to do things like this without having dumb people say i can't.


plans - - -

dad's friend decking head for me.
flat valves, flat top pistons, stronger connecting rods, probably the pulstar plugs with e85 conversion to run 105 e85 or water-meth injection. i am planning to run very high compression and high rpms.

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/200-hp-single-cam-all-engine-2362042/

 

ignorance is thinkin ul be able to put 200 to the crank with a z6. Come on dude and ur using a chip "base map" ecu. I think ul put down 135 to the wheels. Prove me wrong

 

bisimoto would be the top guy doing h-sohc motors right now

 

come on dude there is n/a v8s with over 2000 and your telling me you can't get 200 on a 4 cylinder. and its not from my ecu i expect to get the power. ignorance is lack of knowledge. believing something won't work before looking into it or even trying it.

 

i would say start by going to the d series forum. like this one but all dseries.

and all motor will be hard to get 200. theres a reason people just boost dseries.

 

Did you read the thread that -__- posted? Your answers await you inside... (Yes, that means you must read!)

Plus, there's a lot of good debate in there, and of course some flaming as well.

 

Yeah those v8s are on alchol or other highly productive fuels, not race gas and def not pump. They also r built to the guills and tuned to the t. Try at least 60k for a v8 in that territory. I know several guys paying upwards of 60k just for there v8 motor and most are at least 500 cubic inches and still only making like 800-1000hp and to b perfectly honest a 500hp honda would smoke these cars from a roll
Im sure its possible to get 200 from a d na but ur not going to make it happen and it requires all i stated above along with tons of other work like friction reducers everywhere, heat coatings everywhere, and so on. If u want to put 15 grand in ur d to make what 10 pounds of boost will do on the stock motor than b my guest. From what uv said in ur post though u have a ton of research to do and a lot of money to make. Like i said prove me wrong

 

http://www.d-series.org/forums/engin...229-200hp.html

there ya go. even most of them are doubtful and its a whole group of D lovers.
so lots and lots of money and bisi is gonna be your best bet. huge cams, bore, and a tune from hell.

 

Let me restate what I said:

The link that -__- provided in the second post provides information that lays most of the general questions here to rest, and hell it's nearly two years old! It won't answer all the exact tech involved, but you will find out what you're up against. Here it is again:

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2362042

In short, Bisi made 198.9whp on his d series, so 200whp is a possibility. HOWEVER, he is the only one achieving this power. No one else has seen these numbers and no one else has surpassed them (well, not that I've heard of).

So good luck with your goal. Hope you know a lot about improving head flow.

PS: Thanks -__- for that link, I'd seen the dyno chart, but never the thread it was released in. Lot of interesting stuff in there.

 

^^werd lol. if any D-Series gurus wanna chime in with their info, please do.

 

anything is possible on a motor you just have to do it right. high compression and high octane is what i plan to run. in my personal opinion high octane mixed with high compression topped off with the ability to have crazy rpms is all you need for power. why boost thats all everyone else does is boost. my dads bud has a machine shop. so that means i can machine everything for free. so take a couple g's and put them back in the pocket cause machining cost a pretty penny around here. also money? who cares about how much it cost to build your car? i don't why should i its money worth spent when it goes under my hood. THANKS FOR THE LINKS EVERYONE. either way i guess ill see what happens this winter.

 

Being a little bit general don't you think?

It takes a bit more than that... I wouldn't be so much concerned with money as I would about time and knowledge of the challenges that lay ahead of you.

Either way, I admire your optimism. Please do share your results!

 

I'm in for the results too.

 

why the **** would anyone want to waste that much money to make a all motor d series?

go with at least a gsr motor or fully built b20 or lsvtec.

 

ignorance haha

 

if you want answers, tell us your plans for parts, what headwork you plan to have done, etc.

give us details so we can steer you in the right direction, instead of just saying high comp and rpm's...

 

Because he can. Why do people even waste money making Hondas into race cars when a RWD muscle car can do it with far less effort? It's all in the sport. He has a ton of work ahead of him for sure, but if he can accomplish what he wants then it will all be worth it.

As for getting power from a D-series...do all the head work you can think of and get a crazy cam and tune. The stock head doesnt flow too well above 7k rpm.

 

Uh no rwd muscle cars cant do anything for far less effort besides suck on fuel economy. Take 5k and c which will b faster, a civic or muscle car.

 

not including buying it more then likely the muscle car would win. like hondas the ONLY place where parts can be found cheap and still good.
turns might lean it more towards a civic though.

they do it cuz they can.

 

Well red its obvious to me uv never owned a fast civic, and yes including buyin the car

 

I was just commenting that there are far better drag racing platforms than Hondas. People modify cars for the sport of it, not because it's the cheapest and easiest way to do it.

200whp N/A with a d-series would get much respect from me even though I would probably stomp it with my turbo d. Why? Because it's a damn near impossible thing to do.

 

bench racing talk will get this thread locked.

and how many times has a thread just like this popped up on here and d-series.org in the past 10 years? sheesh.

anyway,

among the redeeming qualities of a built d is a really long and flat torque curve. it's wonderful, so building one is not a complete waste of time.

my old setup:

home built y8 with p29 pistons, apexi 1.5mm headgasket, 10 thou off head, crower stage 3, skunk2 intake manifold and BBK TB, SMSP header, no cat and Jeff Evans tune using apexi power fc.

run was on DRT Dynojet in queens, NY, and is obviously uncorrected as per the sheet.

i strongly feel that on his dyno i could have another 10% peak whp if it was set up and tuned with a different head and ITBs, i.e. aggressively ported z6.

who knows if i had done that AND had higher compression w/ higher octane fueling...20% more?

10% more would be another 15-16 whp. that would be about 170 whp, which would be about 200 crank hp assuming typical 15.5% driveline loss.

aside from bisi's carb'd street setup, i've never seen a legitimate street car with anything over 160ish to the wheels, but dyno sheets are pretty arbitrary in the grand scheme of things. then again, what else can i/we show?

bottom line is: think long and hard before building an NA d if you have expectations past 160 whp

OP, you are already on the wrong track if you are considering "chipping" the ecu for a build that isn't even done yet. you will have no idea where the cam profiles will want to switch on whatever cam you decide...same with the rev limit. don't even worry about that yet. and, you want to use one that cuts spark, not a fuel cut OE type rev limiter.

 

High compression and ITB's are always a great combo. Good luck with you're project.

 

possibility? Yes... driveability? Probably not..
is this going to be a track car?