So I went to blox open house event this past sunday and I was talking to this guy thats running a J swap in a ek civic. He was talking about torco mtf and says that he can feel a big difference in performance compared to the HG MTF.

Latelly I have had trouble putting my car into reverse so I plan on changing the fluid I'm leaning towards Torco but what are your guys opinions has any one used it.

thanks in advance

 

torco is great stuff

 

Honda MTF is designed specificlly for Honda trans. When ever people say they put Snychromesh, Torco etc, and say it shifts better or what have you, they are talking about putting a bandaid over a problem. A Honda transmission with no wear issues works great with Honda MTF. If your trans is starting to go then yes a diffrent type of fluid may benefit you until the trans takes a ****.

 

please tell me how torco is a band aid? Should i not be running it with my mfactory lsd (because its a band aid)? have you ever used a performance mtf?

 

How the hell do you put a bandaid on a tranny? hahaha

 

I wasnt talking about aftermarket LSD's or anything else aftermarket. Reading comprehension is a great asset. Learn it.

 

Wayyy over your head kid....

 

It is huh?

Probably.

 

Do you put Honda motor oil in your engine?

 

What Mtf weight do you use from torco. Because they have different types of MTF 80w 75w etc. and I think I saw a MTF-L, what does the L stand for? What are you using?

 

well stock mtf is 30 weight so im guessing do not use the 80 or 75 w. I use synchromesh and it has the same properties as stock and others like it. In my opinion all mtf is created equal.

 

I use Honda MTF, has worked better than anything I've tried and it's a stock T2W4 LSD trans but on the other hand I get it for free at work. If you're having trouble going into reverse then it's not your fluid its your trans and the condition it's in.

 

ya I thinks my transmission is just getting old and proble needs a rebuild soon, it only does it sometimes and my first gear is sometimes hard to get in as well.

Thanks for the input I'll wait on a fluid change I don't have the dough any ways

 

You can not knock Torco MTF. I also never said honda MTF was junk. I always ran it before the lsd. however if someone wants to switch to a performance trans fluid then why cant they?

It may be a "band aid" but getting another 20k out of a trans would be worth swtiching.

 

http://www.torco-oil.com/1-pix-tal/products/MTF.jpg

 

Yes thats my point. Never said Torco was bad on my part but many people with trans issues belive those issues are fixed because they switch fluid and that is simply incorrect. Obviously with aftermarket parts you then have to switch your fluids accordingly. And if the trans is trashed then yeah I agree switch to another fluid if it'll make it last a bit longer...

 

QFT

 

If Torco MTF will make a worn tranny last longer than Honda MTF then it goes with reason that Torco MTF would also make a non worn tranny last longer than Honda MTF.

Honda MTF is designed for Honda transmissions and has had reformulations already over the years. So even Honda has seen their MTF wasn't the best for their equipment at some point thus reformulated to improve it.

It's quite possible someone else makes a far superior fluid whether the equipment is stock or aftermarket.

Most Tranny guys I've seen say Torco is one of the all time best whether for performance or for stock. As for which flavor of Torco, I'm not sure.

 

if the only tranny issue a person has is difficulty going into 1st or reverse, the problem may not lie in the tranny, the problem may be the clutch dragging. meaning either you really need to bleed the clutch cuz it's not fully disengaging, or the clutch is worn out and/or warped and should be replaced, and should also have the flywheel resurfaced as well.

if other gears have issues shifting, clutch problems can also cause that too. but IF the problem is in the tranny, like say if synchros are worn, an aftermarket fluid will just be a bandaid until the tranny is rebuilt or replaced.

 

Do not use Honda MTF in anything other than a daily driver that does not see any sort of "fun" driving. The current version of Honda's MTF was reformulated for the K series to help with shifting problems. It was deemed "acceptable" for older transmissions. It should be noted that at the time it was reformulated, Honda was already discontinuing parts for the 88-91 transmissions.

At room temp it is thin as water, at operating temp it offers very little protection. At elevated temps as seen when driving hard (up to 300*F) it offers no protection. The only worthwhile attribute it has is that it cleans well.

Torco MTF or RTF aren't band aids. They are performance transmission fluids designed specifically for use in transmissions with yellow metals (synchros and bushings in Honda transmissions) that call for a 30w oil or comparative gear oil. If your trans has a problem, it will be cheaper to fix it now than try to make it last longer with a band aid fluid. With how old most Honda transmissions are now and the way they are driven, if you wait until it fails and buy a used trans, you're pretty likely to get one that has problems and needs to be repaired anyways.

 

Saying MTF isn't good for anything considered fun driving is a bit absurd. I think Honda wouldn't use the same MTF in a 5 speed Accord as a 6 speed Civic Si if it could not stand the test of a idiot teenager. I believe engineers with master's degrees and years of experience understand that old ladies aren't going to be the only ones driving their cars (no offense to any old ladies in the forum).

P.S. I wouldn't say that MTF is as thin as water, through personal experience, I was completely covered in the stuff 2 weeks ago.

 

agreed. at room temp it is as thin as 30wt oil at room temp lol. water is an aweful lot thinner than 30wt oil.

lucky for me I have an entire case of HG MTF that I bought 10-11 years ago. it's never let me down, and I drive and race my Hondas haaaaard.

also, Honda states that in the older tranny's a special kind of straight 30wt engine oil is acceptable too. I just don't remember if it was non-detergent or non-chlorinated that they said it had to be, or if it could just be normal 30wt engine oil.

 

It isn't good for anything other than normal driving. Engineers can specify their own companies fluid but they're not the ones working on the transmissions everyday (I do). They're also think its okay to put 15,000+ miles on transmission fluid before changing it.

It is thinner than 30 weight oil (Blackstone confirmed this) which is what all manual Honda transmissions can safely use.

 

Many SCCA racers would disagree, including HART....
It is.

The weight of the fluid (or lack of) is immaterial, frankly Im surprised you even mention it given your allusion that you are a rebuilder....

 

So this is a question I had been wondering myself, which falls on the lines of this discussion. With a fresh imported used trans w/30K+km's. Which oil would be more beneficial? I intend to use as my DD, but will autocross on the weekends. The new version Honda MTF or another brand MTF?