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why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

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Old Jun 24, 2010 | 04:55 PM
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Default why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

i've actually wondered this for quite some time. everyone and their dead cat makes rear lower control arms that are marginally lighter than oem, however, those front lower control arms on say a 94-01 integra are tanks. forged aluminum pieces could probably cut the weight in half not to mention they could be designed with one degree or so more of caster. anyway, just throwing it out there. any vendors or people in the loop know anything about this....type away
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Old Jun 24, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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Default Re: why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

OMNI POWER..FTW
http://www.omnipowerusa.com/product.asp?P_ID=135
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Old Jun 24, 2010 | 06:10 PM
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Default Re: why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

Originally Posted by idrivesideways
i've actually wondered this for quite some time. everyone and their dead cat makes rear lower control arms that are marginally lighter than oem, however, those front lower control arms on say a 94-01 integra are tanks. forged aluminum pieces could probably cut the weight in half not to mention they could be designed with one degree or so more of caster. anyway, just throwing it out there. any vendors or people in the loop know anything about this....type away
Adding caster to the 94-01 Integra increases bumpsteer significantly.

Ran +4* of caster for 2 years, and got sick of potholes ripping the wheel from my hands.

However, if you want to experiment, Whiteline sells a caster kit for our cars that spaces the front half of the LCA forward.
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Old Jun 24, 2010 | 06:40 PM
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Default Re: why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

Function 7 has been designing theirs for a while. The hold up is years and years of REAL design and testing.
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Old Jun 24, 2010 | 09:01 PM
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Default Re: why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

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Omni-Power uses a solid design for added strength and is the only company to offer an aluminum FLCA for EG and DC model vehicles

exactly my point, this is the reason they are still $400

and noob, totally know what you mean about caster and high amounts. still, a lot of lowered cars wind up with zero and sometimes negative caster. 1deg or even half a degree wouldn't cause the steering issues and could restore factory defaults in some of these cars. then again you can usually squeeze half by sliding the subframe.
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 10:47 AM
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Default Re: why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

Are these still available? I heard that Omnipower were going to stop making them.

My only fear is that these would turn out to be like the ST "Dropforks" that were made about 10 years ago, only to discover that they would fatigue after a while and possibly fail (hence is why they were taken off the market).

I'm all for the weight savings, but there is a decent amount of stress on that piece. But these do look beefy enough to cope.

Heck, if any venders have them in stock for the DC, PM me.
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 10:56 AM
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Default Re: why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

fatigue could well be the issue here. chevy has been using aluminum arms on the corvette since 1984. all are drop forged and likely a fairly high grade of aluminum. i bring this up only because it's a great example of what to copy.

maybe the tooling to make these is really expensive? hell i duno, just seemed odd that they make everything except these. it wouldn't even be all that difficult to hand fab them out of 4130 chromoly.

any word on F7 and when they are releasing?
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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Default Re: why has there been no mass marketing of lighter front lower arms?

Originally Posted by idrivesideways
and noob, totally know what you mean about caster and high amounts. still, a lot of lowered cars wind up with zero and sometimes negative caster. 1deg or even half a degree wouldn't cause the steering issues and could restore factory defaults in some of these cars. then again you can usually squeeze half by sliding the subframe.
If you have 0 or negative caster, then something is seriously wrong with the suspension. One would be much better off finding and fixing/replacing the bent parts than changing the LCA.

Now, if the car is using those retarded Ingalls sliding UCA bushings, and that screwed up the caster (been there, done that), the best idea would be to simply replace them with the stock pieces.
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