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Old May 26, 2010 | 10:25 AM
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I'd like to see some N/A H22A Mahle piston setups and dyno/track results...

Wanna go Mahle pistons with Pro1 or Pro2 cams on a H22 setup we have here.. Want to see some results some of you guys are having..
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Old May 26, 2010 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dellas
I'd like to see some N/A H22A Mahle piston setups and dyno/track results...

Wanna go Mahle pistons with Pro1 or Pro2 cams on a H22 setup we have here.. Want to see some results some of you guys are having..
what stroke are u going stock or h23 and are u going bigger piston or standard size.

if with 11.5 compression i'd do the pro 2 cams with ur magical head work that u did last time. A good header and 3inch exahust.
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Old May 26, 2010 | 11:23 AM
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Going with the H22 90.7mm stroke, wanna rev that baby past 8K RPM....

Looking for 250 - 260 WHP when the setup is done...
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Old May 26, 2010 | 01:41 PM
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well i have a 90.7 stock stroke h22 w .020 oversized type s pistons and skunk 2 tuner stg 2 cams w some head work good bolt ons and made 240whp on e85......
the estimated cr of that motor was 12.0.1 had thinn head gasket and flat faced valves...

i have switch a couple things since then and im hoping im around 255-260whp now on type s piston stock stroke.......i wish i went w the mahales cause i cant run anything bigger than the cam i have type-s pistons have small valve relifes the mahales seem too have deeper pockets
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Old May 27, 2010 | 06:02 AM
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here is a thread wit some mahle piston builds in it making 235whp with crower 3's so i'd say 260 is possible with pro 2 and some good head work header and exahust.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...2716236&page=2
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Old May 27, 2010 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dellas
I'd like to see some N/A H22A Mahle piston setups and dyno/track results...

Wanna go Mahle pistons with Pro1 or Pro2 cams on a H22 setup we have here.. Want to see some results some of you guys are having..
What makes you want to go with Mahle? I'm not knocking Mahle, I think they're great, but why not a 2618 alloy piston like Wiseco or Diamond?
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Old May 27, 2010 | 08:07 AM
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What makes you want to go with Mahle? I'm not knocking Mahle, I think they're great, but why not a 2618 alloy piston like Wiseco or Diamond?
It's a the only drop in piston u can use with the h22 sleeves. Any other piston u have to sleeve the motor.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by h23V
It's a the only drop in piston u can use with the h22 sleeves. Any other piston u have to sleeve the motor.
Really? Why is that?

**edit: NVM, found my answer.**
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Old May 27, 2010 | 01:37 PM
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The sleeves are made of FRM material which isn't compatible with forged pistons..

Mahle as far as I know is the only company who makes compatible piston for these engines. Although I've been hearing that Jun pistons are drop in items too..

I wanna see some dyno results and if anyone is experiencing problems with them...
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Old May 28, 2010 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dellas
The sleeves are made of FRM material which isn't compatible with forged pistons..

Mahle as far as I know is the only company who makes compatible piston for these engines. Although I've been hearing that Jun pistons are drop in items too..

I wanna see some dyno results and if anyone is experiencing problems with them...
Well the Mahles are forged pistons as well, but it looks like it's the coating that makes the difference. From what I read, the FRM is impregnated with the aluminum when the block is cast, and aluminum-on-aluminum es no bueno. Plus, it sounds like the FRM requires a smoother finish that what you can get away with on a standard grey iron sleeve. Mahles are made out of a 4032 aluminum alloy, which isn't quite as strong as the 2618 that the other companies use, but it definetly has it's advantages. I bet a coated Wiseco or JE would work just as well...hmmmm
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Old May 28, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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Engine Block, Cylinder Heads, Crankshaft, Pistons (return)

To achieve both light weight and durability, the engine block is made of aluminum alloy. While cast iron cylinder liners are used on the 3.0-liter engine, the cylinders on the 3.2-liter V-6 are made using an advanced metallurgical technique called Fiber Reinforced Metal (FRM), in which an ultra lightweight alumina-carbon fiber is cast into the traditional aluminum alloy for enhanced rigidity. This process allows displacement to be increased without increasing bore centers while providing outstanding cooling characteristics.

The 3.2-liter engine has cylinder bore surfaces consisting of a 0.5 mm-thick layer with fibers of carbon and alumina (aluminum oxide, or Al2O3) in the aluminum alloy. In production, the cylinder block's aluminum alloy is poured around cylinder cores composed of these two fibers. The cores absorb the molten aluminum during the casting. After casting, the cylinders are bored to a slightly smaller diameter than the outside diameter of the cores, leaving a tough, wear-resistant, composite cylinder wall integral with the block but reinforced by the fibers. The process allows larger bores within the same external block dimensions and bore spacing, and makes open-deck block construction possible. This is appropriate for the 3.2-liter NSX engine's higher performance level. The elimination of iron cylinder liners allows a weight reduction of 5.3 lbs. for the larger displacement engine.

Because aluminum-on-aluminum is not an ideal combination for durability with a piston sliding in a cylinder, the 3.2-liter aluminum pistons are given an iron coating. The piston crown has been reshaped to improve heat resistance, and the pin diameter enlarged to cope with the higher power output. Conventional aluminum pistons are used in the 3.0-liter engine with iron liners.

The crankshaft on the NSX engine is a forged unit made of a special high-strength steel to cope with the high power output of both engines.

The low-pressure cast aluminum cylinder heads maximize flow into the combustion chambers in the 3.2-liter engine, where 36 mm intake valves are used. Even though the valve diameter is 1 mm larger than in the 3.0-liter engine, a unique cup shape is incorporated into the valve head to allow it to maintain the same weight. To further increase air flow, a special four-angle valve-seat machining process is used to create a gentle radius leading from the intake port into the combustion chamber - a process typically reserved for racing applications. The head gasket on the 3.2-liter V-6 is made of stainless steel to ensure a positive seal with the FRM cylinders. The combustion chamber for both engines is a pent-roof design with generous squish area to promote swirl and enhance combustion efficiency. The spark plug is centrally located for optimum flame propagation and features a platinum tip for improved durability and longer service life.

Note that also the factory cast pistons are aluminum, so the "you cant run they because they are aluminum" agruement is trash. However, you could run a non-steel coating, problem is those usually wear off pretty quickly in all honesty.
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Old May 28, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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Note that also the factory cast pistons are aluminum, so the "you cant run they because they are aluminum" agruement is trash. However, you could run a non-steel coating, problem is those usually wear off pretty quickly in all honesty.
So what's the problem then? Are the stock pistons uncoated?
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