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Old May 10, 2010 | 02:13 PM
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I plan on installing stage 2 skunk2 cams in my 98 sh prelude and remove my atts unit. I no I'm goin to need to tune my ecu to run those cams. I plan on keeping my car NA with basic bolt ons so I was wondering if 100s from hondata would be good enough get the most out of my motor.

Or if some one has a similar with a different ecu that works better let me know.

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Old May 10, 2010 | 02:34 PM
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If you're going with Hondata, you might as well just go big with the Hondata S300. In the process, you can learn to tune. If not just learn what works well with your car or at least mess around with the fuel maps / timing a little bit, so that you can get it to where you want it.

AEM EMS is another way to go.

Dare I mention it, but if you're working with a budget, why not just use some freeware, such as Crome?
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Old May 10, 2010 | 02:47 PM
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Neptune RTP
http://www.hrtuning.com/catalog/prod...9704ab711477bd

minus the ecu and its about 400.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 03:24 PM
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Dare I mention it, but if you're working with a budget, why not just use some freeware, such as Crome?[/QUOTE]

I'm on a bit of a budget I didn't really want to spend more then 300 dollars on the ecu. what do you think about going with a used ecu that has hondata or maybe a used piggy back?
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Old May 11, 2010 | 04:16 AM
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Hondaduh sucks. If they spent as much effort on their software as they do on copy protection bs they might have something. Their tech support sucks too. Save your money and go with crome or similar.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 06:07 AM
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Hondaduh sucks. If they spent as much effort on their software as they do on copy protection bs they might have something. Their tech support sucks too. Save your money and go with crome or similar.
i dont know if you have ever used crome or not but it blows. i wish i had my s200 back
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Old May 11, 2010 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tunerguy1989

I'm on a bit of a budget I didn't really want to spend more then 300 dollars on the ecu. what do you think about going with a used ecu that has hondata or maybe a used piggy back?
I really suggest not cheaping out on the engine management, as it is a key point in your vehicle running correctly. If you decide to go used, you might as well try to source out a used S300, or if you have to, S200.

There are brand new V1 AEM EMS's in the vendor section going for ~$700, which is really a deal you can't beat.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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ok thanks for the input
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Old May 12, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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you can get a new neptune setup for the cost of a used s300....

hell you can damn near have an ecu, neptune, and a wideband for the cost of a new s300
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Old May 13, 2010 | 06:04 AM
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Default Re: ECU upgrade for NA H22A.

Originally Posted by q16racer
you can get a new neptune setup for the cost of a used s300....

hell you can damn near have an ecu, neptune, and a wideband for the cost of a new s300
true....and neptune is a hack just like crome.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 08:37 AM
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true....and neptune is a hack just like crome.
and what do you think Hondata is?
F**k hondata. its too bad more of you dont know about hondata and the people behind it, maybe you would boycott it too. Im not sorry, Hondata needs the boot, horrible company. if it wasnt for hondata we would probably have more and better options in the tuning industry.
I hate that company as much as I hate H skunk turbo cams.

Crome is fine software when dealing with simple tuning. so is neptune and eCtune.

for the OP's needs I vote eCtune and a LC-1. 135$ for eCtune and like 150$ or something close for the wideband.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 09:33 AM
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and what do you think Hondata is?
F**k hondata. its too bad more of you dont know about hondata and the people behind it, maybe you would boycott it too. Im not sorry, Hondata needs the boot, horrible company. if it wasnt for hondata we would probably have more and better options in the tuning industry.
I hate that company as much as I hate H skunk turbo cams.

Crome is fine software when dealing with simple tuning. so is neptune and eCtune.

for the OP's needs I vote eCtune and a LC-1. 135$ for eCtune and like 150$ or something close for the wideband.
I've used crome and hondata....crome blows big donkey *****. Who gives a crap if its cheaper. It's hard to get the car to idle correctly, software is slow and fails half the time, almost no support behind their product, and partial throttle tuning sucks.

I'd love to hear how hondata has hampered the evolution of tuning software? If I had the beans I'd be running an aem....but that is more than I want to dish out.

Since none of us seem to know the people behind hondata how about you fill us in.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 10:49 AM
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no support.. thats true, fails half the time? cant say i have had many issues with that.
idle... never really had a hard time adjusting idle on a stock motor, or somthing close to stock. yea not something you wanna use with big builds. I did say simple tuning. you cannot compare Hondata to Crome, we know this. Im just saying that with simple tuning Crome will sufice.
eCtune works great with bigger builds and still half the price of hondata.

I got an ear full last time I talked about hondata. maybe I shouldnt have said anything.
people do know, I didnt say nobody knows. search about it. keyword... "lawsuit"

Im gonna get flamed now and possibly lectured, "hondata is a sponcor of honda-tech, blah blah blah"
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Old May 13, 2010 | 02:46 PM
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true....and neptune is a hack just like crome.
you are a ****ing moron. Have you ever used neptune? nothing like crome, everything works and uses its own real time board (demon) just like s300 uses its own board.

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Old May 13, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ilikehonda
I've used crome and hondata....crome blows big donkey *****. Who gives a crap if its cheaper. It's hard to get the car to idle correctly, software is slow and fails half the time, almost no support behind their product, and partial throttle tuning sucks.

I'd love to hear how hondata has hampered the evolution of tuning software? If I had the beans I'd be running an aem....but that is more than I want to dish out.

Since none of us seem to know the people behind hondata how about you fill us in.
sounds like a TUNER problem. Never had idle problem back when i used crome. I just couldnt trust that it was doing what it was saying it was doing so i switched to a better management.

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Old May 14, 2010 | 05:25 AM
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sounds like a TUNER problem. Never had idle problem back when i used crome. I just couldnt trust that it was doing what it was saying it was doing so i switched to a better management.

**** homodata.
The old neptune I knew was no better than crome. Havn't dealt with it in a long time so maybe things have changed. The idle is not tuner problem. More than a few people have played with it and couldnt get it to idle worth a damn. it idles but sometimes it will bounce about 150-200 rpm for no reason...
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The old neptune I knew was no better than crome. Havn't dealt with it in a long time so maybe things have changed. The idle is not tuner problem. More than a few people have played with it and couldnt get it to idle worth a damn. it idles but sometimes it will bounce about 150-200 rpm for no reason...
I was using Crome for several years, never had that issue. although sometimes I will start off with a tune from another car, using it as a basemap and I would have to mess with the idle, eventhough I had allready tuned the idle from a very similiar engine, so there might be some truth to that. just figued it was the car and not the editor, but i dunno, never really looked into it.

have you used eCtune yet?
I have not used neptune being that there are not many dealers in Norcal, but I have heard great things. never hear anyone talk about uberdata anymore. hmm?

**** homodata lol, nice to hear
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Originally Posted by ilikehonda
The old neptune I knew was no better than crome. Havn't dealt with it in a long time so maybe things have changed. The idle is not tuner problem. More than a few people have played with it and couldnt get it to idle worth a damn. it idles but sometimes it will bounce about 150-200 rpm for no reason...
no better than crome? Do you smoke the pipe?

or is this something like "he said, she said" bs?

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Old May 15, 2010 | 07:23 AM
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no better than crome? Do you smoke the pipe?

or is this something like "he said, she said" bs?

i love the internet.
No but you obviously smoke pole. I just stated that I had not used Neptune in a long time. It may have gotten better.
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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 06:40 AM
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i have a 98 auto prelude with stock p5m-a52 ecu, i would like to switch to another ecu so i can go over 6500rpm, i know the tranny cant take it but the engine can but i dont mind blowing up the tranny as i have another. i saw someone use a obd2 f20 jdm ecu once so can i use that ecu or similiar i think it was a p0f or something. jdm f20 auto ecu or what other auto ecu can i use for higher rev limit? i dont want to convert to manual or obd1 as either way is a mission, the immobilizer isnt a problem for me i will just run a wire from starter to battery
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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 03:40 PM
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In my opinion, if you want free and can figure things out for yourself, use CROME and info on pgmfi.org, if you want to spend money go with neptune. IF you really want hondata, buy my stage 4b.
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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 07:29 PM
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damn you guys sure have lots of opinions thx Ill do some extra research on all those and see what fits in my budget. lol alot of that stuff was funny tho good sh**.
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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 11:10 AM
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A does anyone have experience with the 100s. My car will be NA so would that work well to just adjust the fuel and air mixture.
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