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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 09:25 AM
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well i was installing my brand new koni ground control kit. and like i only installed the rear. but it rides like total ****. every bump is exaggerated and it feels like there is no shock absorber... it just hits every little bump hard and its really hard. i called ground control today to see if i had put the right springs in the back (the shorter springs) and i did. im guessing a 1 inch drop is too much and its gonna ride like **** now? input please.

i might just order a set of progress coilovers and sell this system if i cant get a close to oem feel when i drive. this is ridiculous
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 09:26 AM
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You only installed the rear?
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 09:30 AM
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yeah only rear to see how it rode and wow does it suck
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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Install the front and adjust the koni shock.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 09:39 AM
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Install the front and adjust the koni shock.
hows that gonna help the rear?
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 09:41 AM
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hows that gonna help the rear?
Just do it.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 09:43 AM
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I don't get it the ride sucks already how's the front gonna change that?
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by kaiba
Just do it.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 10:02 AM
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You're upset because you bought stiff suspension and it rides stiff...?
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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^LOL! Yeah go ahead and install the front, and then make sure the Koni's aren't adjusted to full stiff or something silly like that. Oh yeah, did you get the OTS GC rates or custom?
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 11:00 AM
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spring rates?
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 11:03 AM
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Can't help you until we know the spring rates.

Also did you install everything correctly? You left off the OE shock dust boots, right? If you put them on, then that's your problem right there.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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yeah of the the shell not custom
and its not that its stiff it's that there is no shock abosorber work like I feel every little road detail. and I only dropped it about an inch. the rear feels like a go cart and when I set the shocks to soft its worst
I did leave the dust boots on there though...bad?
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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yeah of the the shell not custom
and its not that its stiff it's that there is no shock abosorber work like I feel every little road detail. and I only dropped it about an inch. the rear feels like a go cart and when I set the shocks to soft its worst
I did leave the dust boots on there though...bad?
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 03:05 PM
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Also did you install everything correctly? You left off the OE shock dust boots, right? If you put them on, then that's your problem right there.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 03:11 PM
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Lol you left the hard OEM dust boot in there? The strut can't compress all the way, it's probably mangled up in there already.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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user error.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 03:37 PM
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You are going to feel really dumb after this, I know only because I did the same thing. Turn the dampening down to full soft.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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turn damper down. I hope you put the washer on the shaft of the shock, the one that goes right under the the bushings on the top hats. Spring rates would be helpful. Lowered an inch should not ride like ****.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jmart41791
yeah of the the shell not custom
and its not that its stiff it's that there is no shock abosorber work like I feel every little road detail. and I only dropped it about an inch. the rear feels like a go cart and when I set the shocks to soft its worst
I did leave the dust boots on there though...bad?
I bolded the important part there.

It sure sounds like someone doesn't understand the roles of shocks and springs in a suspension.

Whether or not you feel every bump / detail in the road, has nothing to do with the shock.

The shock is there to prevent the spring from continuing to oscillate after a bump. The spring rate determines how much suspension deflection you have going over the bump (i.e. how much you feel it).

That is an over simplified explanation, but it only gets more complicated from there...

Drive a car with soft (stock) spring rates, and blown/shot shocks, and you'll understand better. You don't fell the bump harshly or anything, but you sure feel the car bounce repeatedly after each one. Then go drive a car with very stiff spring rates and adequate shock damping. You feel every single bump, but no bounce.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 06:42 PM
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Take the OEM dust boot out if you have them in there and make sure the struts are not turned to full hard. It would help to install the fronts too. You have to expect it to ride a little harsher. Lowering the car is taking away travel of the suspension. In order for it to not bottom out or have the UCA hit the shock towers over every bump its has to be stiff.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 06:44 PM
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haha thanks for bashing me guys. i wasn't really trying to smartass anyone. i was just trying to state the situation with some show of my frustration. cuz boy this ride is frustratiing me...it rides like a 1940s jeep all harsh and jumpy. i hope i havent messed anything up ):
so lets see take off the dustboot? anything else?
i need a close to stock ride with about an inch drop at most? im no way trying to slam this ride people so please dont kill me with abusive answers. if i were a suspension guru i wouldnt be asking for help
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dandaman15
Take the OEM dust boot out if you have them in there and make sure the struts are not turned to full hard. It would help to install the fronts too. You have to expect it to ride a little harsher. Lowering the car is taking away travel of the suspension. In order for it to not bottom out or have the UCA hit the shock towers over every bump its has to be stiff.
oh naw i know its gonna be a bit harsher but trust me its no where near a comfortable stiff ride. theres no way thats how those struts/springs are suppose to perform...
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 07:08 PM
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I'm lowered about 1.75 inches and have stiffer rates than OTS and it rides smooth. You should really install the front, adjust it to softest then take it for a drive.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 07:21 PM
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If you have the OEM plastic dust shield installed, take it off. I made the same mistake and my car rode like complete **** until I removed it. The problem is the shock body can't go up inside that thing and it will just hit, and hit hard!
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