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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 12:55 AM
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my injectors are running 100% all the time. i think its cause my idle to be really high 1000-2000rpms sometime. also burning oil only sometimes at low rpms,1000-2500rpms and high load. at high rpms, 3500-8500rpms and high load car runs fine. also at night the car runs like i champ i am assuming colder air at night allows more of the fuel to burn through all of rpm range. engine generally performs better at night.

can anyone tell me why the injectors are wide open all the time. engine is an ls vtec with h22 345cc peak hold injectors with a resistor pack chipped p28 with ebay customized chip.
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 05:45 AM
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how can you tell the injectors are running 100% of the time? Again, so what you are saying is that the injectors are spraying fuel out at an alarming rate and aren't restricting their flow at any time?? This should be obvious to you but if what you say is happening is actually happening, then this would be the injectors are getting a short to ground. In fact, to test an injector, one of things they do is just wire it to the battery and the pintle stays open, you measure how much flowed out of the injector after a given amount of time and that is suppose to say if the injector is restricted or not.

In short..

Fix your wiring.
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 06:29 AM
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i did an led light test on the clips with the ignition on and the light stays on continuously. im thinking of doing the test while cranking the engine to see what happens. thanks
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 08:09 AM
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If the injectors were on continuously the engine would flood and it wouldn't run.
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by eg6nike
chipped p28 with ebay customized chip.
when are people going to learn?
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 12:03 PM
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when are people going to learn?
didnt really have anything else to run the car on. i dont really kno anyone on here to make me a base map. so i went with an ebay guy questioned him about how he would do the tune and told him i wanted a map just to break the engine in nothin power based. he has sold other chips and gotten good feedback from ppl say their cars are running good but maybe those ppl are clueless as i seem to be.
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 02:42 PM
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If the injectors were on continuously the engine would flood and it wouldn't run.
this is true. i check them again and found this: when i put the led to the clip it lights up constantly with low light when ignition is on then when u try to turn over the motor the light pulses much higher then goes low about twice a second with the high light being the pulse and the low light being the constant.

is this normal?
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 09:48 PM
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didnt really have anything else to run the car on.
Talk to Phearable and tell them about your set-up. They will burn you a chip that doesn't suck.

Best of luck with your project.
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by eg6nike
can anyone tell me why the injectors are wide open all the time. engine is an ls vtec with h22 345cc peak hold injectors with a resistor pack chipped p28 with ebay customized chip.
It's more than likely the customized ebay chip but, How do you have the injectors wired with the resistor box?
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 11:25 PM
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It's more than likely the customized ebay chip but, How do you have the injectors wired with the resistor box?
its a homemade box using 10 ohm 25amp resistors all the resistors are wrapped in electrical tape all the way through in the aluminum box i used.

i have them wired with each of the 4 black/yellow wires coming from each injector going into its own resistor in series and coming out of the resistors going to the ecu all 4 wires are connected as one (i had tried running each to a separate wire thinking it would work the same but i ended up getting only one injector that worked and the car would start, so i wired them all together as ive seen in all the DIY guides and the car started). someone suggested that i may have the clips going to the wrong injector but the harness placement only allows the clips to go one way but i will check that too.

I trying to get another chip as soon as possible.
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Old Mar 21, 2010 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Top Ramen
Talk to Phearable and tell them about your set-up. They will burn you a chip that doesn't suck.

Best of luck with your project.
i will check into that

thanx
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 04:04 AM
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Here is how it should be wired. You may have it this way but it sounds as though you have it backwards.



Picture the one big resistor box in this image as 4 individual ones. (in your case) The resistors go on the 12v (+) BLK/YEL wires but it's the coloured wires that go to individual pins on the ECU. The injector circuit is ground control. The ECU grounds the circuit each time the injector is to fire.
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostAccord
Here is how it should be wired. You may have it this way but it sounds as though you have it backwards.



Picture the one big resistor box in this image as 4 individual ones. (in your case) The resistors go on the 12v (+) BLK/YEL wires but it's the coloured wires that go to individual pins on the ECU. The injector circuit is ground control. The ECU grounds the circuit each time the injector is to fire.
i see i have the wiring basically this way except i took out the junction box. at the bottom it says from pin 3 of the pgm-fi main relay, does this mean that the four resistors should only be going into a select black/yellow wire.

i now realize that these wires carry power and the ecu grounds them to create pulses. based on how my led test went should i assume that the injectors a staying open because they are getting a little power somewhere and opening fully on each pulse as they should and thats causing the car to run rich but not that it floods?

EDIT: I figured out the answer is no because the ecu grounds the injectors for them to pulse anyway so i have a ground problem not a power source problem. i think? should the injectors be getting any power at all even enough to dimly power an led in between each pulse on start up?
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 02:27 PM
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Is this what your wiring looks like?

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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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Is this what your wiring looks like?

yes exactly like that with the yellow black being the 4 black wires going to the main relay i believe soldered together as one.
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 05:13 PM
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Let me guess, it sounds like a wookie in full throttle and your plugs look like rat turds...
Reduce your fuel pressure, pull the J1, drive like a vagina, and PM me for a new chip;
it'll pay for itself in gas within a week.
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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Let me guess, it sounds like a wookie in full throttle and your plugs look like rat turds...
Reduce your fuel pressure, pull the J1, drive like a vagina, and PM me for a new chip;
it'll pay for itself in gas within a week.
Hahaha wookie...

But seriously it's your tune
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Old Apr 15, 2010 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Top Ramen
Talk to Phearable and tell them about your set-up. They will burn you a chip that doesn't suck.

Best of luck with your project.
Thanks for sending him our way.

I would suggest you resolve any malfunction indication codes if you have any. Double check your resistor box wiring & try a new eprom chip basemap.
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Old May 20, 2010 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by eg6nike
i did an led light test on the clips with the ignition on and the light stays on continuously. im thinking of doing the test while cranking the engine to see what happens. thanks
It would naturally throw a light since your injector has electromagnet coils inside.you can't conclude that you're running at 100% duty cycle if you won't do a datalog which only aftermarket ecu's can, that includes cROMe, Hondata, etc..
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