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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 12:55 PM
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The passenger side is sitting a good 1" higher on my eg. Setup is OEM ITR springs and OEM ITR shocks front and rear (including ITR rear lca's). Everything else is stock. I had switched to this setup last October (about 5 months ago) and I was hoping it would even itself out but that doesn't seem to be the case. The car rides great and I would like to keep this setup but the stance is bothering me. It's almost time for me to switch to the summer rims so I'd like to figure something out before I make the switch. The drivers side looks like where it should be but the passenger side is almost higher than stock. When I swapped the to the itr stuff I also replaced all the front lca bushings with oem ones, new upper and lower ball joints, new tie rod ends, new trailing arm bushings, and a full alignment. Any suggestions?







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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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maybe your shocks are blown on the driver side or you have non itr springs on your passenger side?
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FxCkyoVTEC209
maybe your shocks are blown on the driver side or you have non itr springs on your passenger side?
I'm pretty sure the shocks are good. The wheels don't oscillate so I'm pretty sure the dampeners are doing their job.


I've also thought that maybe it's not an ITR spring. They all had similar markings on them and the stiffness on each corner seems to be similar though.


Does anyone know if I'll be able to get the spring back on the shock without a spring compressor if I take them apart? I've never had luck with spring compressors on Honda springs because the coils are so close together. I've swapped springs and shocks a hundred times but never with oem springs so a compressor was never needed. I'm thinking about switching the two springs around and see what happens. I'd also have a better idea if there are really the same springs and if the shocks are good but I don't want to be stuck not being able to get them back together.
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 01:45 PM
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is it me or do your front wheels look like they're not centered in the wheel well?
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 01:57 PM
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No, I agree, they do not looked centered. I've had the car for five years and they have always looked like that, never caused any problems though.

Is that a caster issue that causes that? I had a full alignment about 5 months ago.
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 04:16 PM
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I'm not sure where I read it as it was years ago, but I always thought the ITR suspension was corner balanced to the cars stock weight.
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 07:12 PM
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I'm not sure where I read it as it was years ago, but I always thought the ITR suspension was corner balanced to the cars stock weight.
im not tryna bs or anything but that just reminded me when i had the stock shock/springs in my itr it looked like it was crooked like the left side was a little lower
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FxCkyoVTEC209
im not tryna bs or anything but that just reminded me when i had the stock shock/springs in my itr it looked like it was crooked like the left side was a little lower
Yeah, all dc/eg tend to lean towards the drivers front. There is more weight on the drivers side of the car. The itr spring rate is 250# on all four corners so it would make sense that it would lean a little bit but my car seems to be leaning a lot.

I'm thinking I'm going to try switching the springs. But does anyone know if I'm going to be able to get everything back together without a spring compressor?
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 10:09 PM
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Are you fat? Constantly having weight on the drivers side year after year will of course make that side sag sooner than the passenger side.
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 10:39 PM
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try swapping the struts in the front.. like stated above their is a spring that goes on the tranny side and one that goes on the engine side.. the itr is corner balanced
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by fatboy1185
Are you fat? Constantly having weight on the drivers side year after year will of course make that side sag sooner than the passenger side.

lol. No, maybe the guy who had them before me was though. It sat like this since I put them on my car. I'm 6'1" and about 180#.



As far as corner balancing is concerned. Everything was assembled when I got them and the fronts are side specific. I'm going to take them apart next week, I don't know what else to do.

How positive are you that the ITR was corner balanced from the factory? I thought all the rates were equal at 250#. Are the two front springs different heights?
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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it suppose to be a tuned suspinsion on the r.. i dont think its a different height but a different spring ratio cause of the motor being heavier than the tranny side.

take you like 20 min to find out i say its worth a shot
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 06:15 PM
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Can you swap the springs left to right to see if anything changes?
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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Can you swap the springs left to right to see if anything changes?

That's what I'm planning on doing. Hopefully this will level it out some.
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Originally Posted by fatboy1185
Are you fat?
that was extremely funny to me for some reason.
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Originally Posted by stevieteg
The itr spring rate is 250# on all four corners so it would make sense that it would lean a little bit but my car seems to be leaning a lot.
Stock ITR spring rates from an OLD OLD thread in the ITR forum.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-type-r-8/what-stock-springrates-1997-1998-2000-2001-itr-278719/

Originally Posted by Reid
Front springs are linear rate, 4.4 kg/mm (245.872 lb/in), and rear springs are progressive rate, 2.5-4.4 kg/mm (139.7-245.872 lb/in).
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 09:39 AM
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Default Re: Weird stance with ITR springs/shocks on eg

I will be installing itr springs with koni yellows on my eg hatch very soon.

I'm curious to see how this works out for you.
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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^

You'll able to adjust the perch height on the shocks so you shouldn't have a problem.



Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
Stock ITR spring rates from an OLD OLD thread in the ITR forum.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278719
That's interesting. The rears do not look like they would be progressive springs. I do question how accurate that info is though.

Don't you have itr springs? Does your car sit even?
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 10:41 AM
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i thought the ITRS had linears in the rear? Its because your motor is sitting on that side and your tranny on the other. Which one weighs more? My car is also at different heights right now because of that reason. About .5-.75in difference in sides. O well, still rides and handles great.
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 1.5Slowmatic
i thought the ITRS had linears in the rear? Its because your motor is sitting on that side and your tranny on the other. Which one weighs more? My car is also at different heights right now because of that reason. About .5-.75in difference in sides. O well, still rides and handles great.

Yeah, I know that the car is going to lean a little bit but this just seems pretty extreme. Between my eg and dc I've had H&R Sports, Eibach Sportlines, oem dc, oem eg, gc's with Illuminas, and now this itr setup. All the regular springs (non adjustable sleeves) have sat relatively evenly.


I'm going to swap the two springs on Wednesday and see what happens.
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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^Yup. And post pics puhleeze.
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Yes, ITR rear springs are progressive rate.

Here's my stock Integra rear spring (top) and ITR rear spring (bottom)



I only have the ITR springs on the rear and stock GS-R springs up front with the Koni perches on the lowest setting, and the car sits pretty much even all around, except the front left is about 1/2" lower. It's not really noticeable, though.



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Old Mar 10, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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Well the results are in.

They are completely different springs and shocks.

on me for not paying more attention when I installed them.



I have no idea what either are but they are definitely different. (passenger side on top & drivers side on bottom)





Luckily, I had these laying around so I threw them in there for the time being.






This is what I have the in the rear. I don't think the springs are ITR springs but at least they are both the same. The shocks are ITR though. Anyone have any idea what they are? I'm assuming they are OEM Honda springs of some sort.




Ugh.. how annoying. In the near 100 times I've purchased something on ht or ebay this is the only time I've been screwed. I guess I was too trusting and didn't look close enough at what I had even gotten. At least I only paid $100 for everything.

idk what I'm going to do now. I think I'm just going to roll on the GC/Tokico's for the summer and figure it out in fall.
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you didnt swap them over just to see? the thicker one may be that way for the weight difference from the motor side to the tranny side.. cause even on a coilover you always have to lower the tranny side more to even the car out
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and they have to be itrs if thier not cut cause then your car would of had a lift to it and it looks pretty low for stock springs
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