Hi!

I am trying to decide which EG to get. This is going to be a project car with good brakes and suspension and a stock B18C6 (B18C euro spec R). Below there's the EG line-up in Portugal so you can help me decide.


General specs:
Drive type: FF
Suspension setup: Double wishbones
Gearbox: 5 speed + reverse
Engine layout: In line 4 cylinder
Dimensions (L/W/H - mm): 4080/1695/1345
Fuel tank capacity (liters): 45
Track width (front/rear - mm): 1475/1465
Luggage capacity (liters): 190
Available colors: Granada Black Pearl, Captive Blue Pearl, Milano Red, Teal Green Pearl, among others.


EX
Chassis code: EG5 (?)
Engine type: D13 (Carburated SOHC non VTEC)
Compression ratio: 9,0:1
Displacement: 1343 cm3
Horsepower: 75 hp @ 6300 rpm
Torque: 10,4 Kgm @ 6100 rpm
Brakes (front/rear): Ventilated Discs/Drums
Wheels: 5x13
Tyres: 175/70 R13
Wheight (Kg): 950
Equipment: Power steering, power mirrors, power windows, central locking


Claimed Performance:
Top speed (Km/h): 170
0-100 Km/h (seconds): 11.3
Fuel consumption (90/120/city - liters): 5.6/7.4/8.0

Performance as tested by Automotor:
Top speed (Km/h): 168
0-100 Km/h (seconds): 12.9
0-400 m (seconds): 18.7
0-1000 m (seconds): 34.8
60-100 Km/h (seconds): 8.2 in third, 11.2 in fourth
80-120 Km/h (seconds): 14.2 in fourth, 16.9 in fifth
90-0 Km/h (meters): 38
Fuel consumption (90/120/city - liters): 6.1/7.5/8.1


LSi
Chassis code: EG5 (?)
Engine type: D15 (PGM-F1 SOHC non VTEC)
Compression ratio: ???
Displacement: 1493 cm3
Horsepower: 90 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: ???
Brakes (front/rear): Ventilated Discs/Drums
Wheels: 5x14
Tyres: 185/60 R14
Wheight (Kg): 950 Kg
Equipment: Power steering, power mirrors, power windows, central locking

Claimed Performance:
Top speed (Km/h): 177
0-100 Km/h (seconds): 9.7
Fuel consumption (90/120/city - liters): 5.5/7.2/8.8

ESi
Chassis code: EG5
Engine type: D16Z6 (PGM-F1 SOHC VTEC)
Displacement: 1590 cm3
Compression ratio: 9,2:1
Horsepower: 125 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 14,4 Kgm @ 5200 rpm
Brakes (front/rear): Ventilated Discs/Solid Discs
Wheels: 5x14
Tyres: 185/60 R14
Wheight (Kg): 985
Equipment: Power steering, power mirrors, power windows, power moonroof, central locking, air conditioning

Claimed Performance:
Top speed (Km/h): 195
0-100 Km/h (seconds): 8.8
Fuel consumption (90/120/city - liters): 5.9/7.5/8.9

Performance as tested by Automotor:
Top speed (Km/h): 194
0-100 Km/h (seconds): 9.6
0-400 m (seconds): 17.0
0-1000 m (seconds): 31.3
60-100 Km/h (seconds): 7.8 in third, 11.2 in fourth
80-120 Km/h (seconds): 13.3 in fourth, 16.0 in fifth
90-0 Km/h (meters): 42
Fuel consumption (90/120/city - liters): 7.1/7.3/9.7

VTi
Chassis code: EG6
Engine type: B16A2 (PGM-F1 DOHC VTEC)
Displacement: 1595 cm3
Compression ratio: 10,4:1
Horsepower: 160 hp @ 7600 rpm
Torque: 16,0 Kgm @ 7300 rpm
Brakes (front/rear): Ventilated Discs/Solid Discs
Wheels: 6x15 (?)
Tyres: 195/55 R15
Wheight (Kg): 1080
Equipment: Power steering, power mirrors, power windows, power moonroof, central locking, air conditioning, alloy wheels

Claimed Performance:
Top speed (Km/h): 215
0-100 Km/h (seconds): 7.9
Fuel consumption (90/120/city - liters): 6.1/7.5/9.0

note: 1 kg -> 2.205 lb, 1 mile -> 1.609 Km

I want a light car with few confort options like the EX or LSi but my questions are as follows:

As I think these cars aren't VTEC pre-wired how hard would it be to add the VTEC control?
And the EX, it has a carburated engine, so I don't know if it has PGM-F1. How hard wuld it be to install it?


Thanks for your help!

 

If you have the cash, go for the VTi. It has the best start. Although the heaviest, you will start off at the highest point with the least work.

If you are hell bent for a swap, the ESi will be your best bet. Some of the 92-95 Civic chassis are prewired for VTEC in all trims (in the U.S. 1992), although even those lack the knock sensor wiring for the B18C series motors.

I suspect the VTi will have all the wiring.

The ESi may be missing the knock sensor.

I have no idea what a 92-95 carburated Civic has under the hood in the least, so I won't even begin to fathom what is involved in going to PGM-Fi on it.

Adding VTEC with knock sensor capacity to 92-95 Civics is not very difficult. If you get the right harnesses, you only have to add one wire between the harness and the ECU, and if you've done this kind of work before, it's not that difficult.

Anyway, my $0.02 is to start with the VTi.

Shawn

 

Get the LSi...if you're concerned with being really quick.

It seems to be the closest thing to our CX/VX/DX hatch here in the U.S.
You really don't want to try and do a PGMFI swap into a carburated car. It will be a freaking nightmare. You'd probably have to either swap every last bit of wirjng form a PGMFI-equipped hatch, or run an expensive stand-alone ECU.

Weight is a big factor when youre trying to go fast. I'd image the EG6 is nice, but it's one heavy-*** car! If you don't need a moonroof then get the LSi. If you must have a moonroof and DOHC VTEC, then you might as well just get the EG6.

I have had a car very much like the ES-i and I had a swap in it. I put the same motor in a car much like the LSi and it's WAY quicker just because it's lighter.

Good luck.


[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 11:14 AM 9/7/2002]

 

Damn early birds ! !


I agree with both of these guys. Just get the VTI since it has a better starting engine platform from the factory. The only disadvantage is that it will be heavier than other chassis. If you wanna be fairly quick and impress every other pendejo you see on the streets of Lisbon you can always get the ESI and then swap the motor. We can help you with everything else as far as wiring goes, its simple and you will be happy.


Both cars get my ! And you can always come here and say that you have a real EG6

 

Thanks for your replies! Very informative. The carburated EX is a no no then.

As I don't need lots of luxury in this car I'll try and go for the LSi. If it proves to hard to find a good one I'll go with a ESi because the weight penalty isn't very big, and it has 4 wheel discs and VTEC.

Thanks again.