what would you suggest for fluid. My setup will be EBC ulta slotted rotors hawk HPS stainless steel lines on stock calipers for the GSR. I don't plan on using this setup for the track, I'll swap pads and fluid or whatever if I do. Main use is on the street, and I am only making 185whp. My intent is better feel and bite for the street on occasional use. I've been trying to read the descriptions of Motul RBF600 vs Motul 5.1 vs Motul D.O.T 4, ATE Gold type 200, AP 550. The descriptions are not providing enough info that experineced tuners have.

 

First time tuner with first time brake upgrade, please help.

 

Bump.
I read from motul that the RBF 600 is great since it resists moisture buildup and prevents hydrolock.
But I read from IL4 that RBF 600 asorbs ,oisture rapidl and requires more flushes/changes.
Both companies are reputable; same product, different characteristics. Who do I believe? I am leaning more towords the motul brand but no company is ommited at this point.

 

I have about 5 or so thread with absolutely no response, is this normal? Anyway what about the fluid. please help!

 

Dude, i answered this question for you in the other thread. Look in here post #16 https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/need-some-feedback-brake-setup-2718868/

 

ATE Super Blue is going to be the best fluid for you in terms of cost/benefit. It's plenty sufficient. You don't need anything like Motul RBF600 if you're not going to be tracking the car.
Check out our thread for some great deals on Fluid:
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I think you did your reading and research you found your answers.
The motul is a good fluid but there are others out there that are equally good.
I run ATE super blue in my track car. I have run Motul before and honestly I cant tell the difference.
Sounds like you want reassurance of what everyone else is using.
Since you did some reading I'd think you saw from other posts what others are using.
Pick one... you cant go wrong as long as its a synthetic.

Synthetic fluids wont vaporize like a OEM fluid under heavy braking on the track.
No vaporizing no brake fade.
Thats not saying you wont ever experience fade.. Driving conditions, pads, dust, rotor condition are also factors
You eliminate one cause of fade by using a synthetic.

 

For street use, practically any fluid will work. If you want a performance fluid, the ate superblue and ate type 200 gold are excellent choices. I use it in my daily driver and for track as well. It is relatively inexpensive and easily found online.

 

Thanks everyone, I just didn't want to make the mistake of getting something unecessary. I also noticed that almost every thread regarding ITR calipers say that they are bigger than the GSR. From what I see, the rear is exactly the same. All the pics od GSR and ITR are the same caliper, and when I go to autozone, they always hand me a huge pad(ITR). Then I compared the two, and they both fit the caliper bracket, the itr pad hangs lower is all. I am going to measure how tall the ITR pad is versus what space on the rotor there is. It may come to nothing but I 'll give It a shot. Thanks again guys.

 

Sorry, I failed to look at this post, but thanks for the info. My buddy has an STI and runs super blue for the track, he said is is great, but he's getting the Stoptec Trophy Series Racing brake kit and RBF600.

 

Integra LS, GS, RS, and GSR have the same front and rear brake pads and calipers. The Integra R uses a different caliper and caliper bracket for both the front and rear. Saying that statement is like saying an Odyssey is an SUV.

Here are the pics of the pads and parts numbers for the pads. Totally different pads.


This is a Type R pad (front)


This is a Type R rear pad



front pad for ALL 94-01 LS GSR RS GS


Integra LS,RS,GSR,GS and Civic/Del Sol rear pad

Those numbers there are measurements. Now hopefully you understand that they DO NOT have the same pads.

 

Yes, good points, already figured on mot of this stuff but didn' want to assume. I put the HB145 next to the HB350, and as the pic shows the only difference was in height, but I don't think that the gsr rotor can clear the itr pad anyway. I was just curious, cause I searched calipers for rear in itr and non-itr, and they looked the same in the pictures, but no dimensions were given, and they possibly just used the same pic for all teg's. I most certainly knew that the fronts were different right off. I know for a fact the stock itr calipers in the front will not fit stock GSr wheels, because the ITR rotor is an inch+ bigger than GSR, and the gsr stock has little room(about 5-6 mm) under those 15" fat fives.

 

I only have one further question, what is the difference in organic over ceramic. Just dust and noise? I have already decided on Hawk HPS organic pad, is there any reason to consider the performance ceramic version? I am most concerned about (1)rotor life, (2)stopping power, and (3)occasional high heat operation.

Thanks everyone!

 

Completely wrong. I ran the ITR setup under a set of fat five for 2 years with no issues, even switched to using Legend 2 pot calipers at one point and both had a few mm to spare. Where are you getting your info from? As a matter of fact, they fit under LS mesh wheels, EM SI 7 spokes, Integra blades and Fat 5 wheels all in 15" wheels. In fact you can, with slight modification, you can get DC Integra brakes (not just GSR they are not special) to fit under 14" Hx wheels so why would they barely fit the 15"? I currently have the S2K front setup. I know my brakes and what fits and what doesnt

 

1) Most street pads are not aggressive enough to have any significant impact on rotor life
2) Remember brakes don't stop the car, the tires do. Even the oem pads have enough bite to lock up most street tires.
3) You won't see high heat on the street unless you drive up/down a mountain. If you need track use, then you need to get a set of pads for track.

As for the size of the rear itr/gsr brakes. The ITR uses a different caliper and caliper bracket. Both the ITR caliper and its bracket accomodate the larger pad used on the ITR. I've run SI/GSR rears, EP3/RSX rears, ITR rears, etc... Also remember, that you need to use the pad designed for the caliper bracket.

 

If the ITR calipers are bigger, How did you fit them? I'm not getting my info anywhere but from my own eyesight. When I look at the fat 5's and stock front gsr calipers, I see hardly any room for expansion, like I said about 5mm. But if you ran it, I guess it fits. But then again I stated my questions as statements so someone can come along and debunk any incorrect ideas I have. So I thank you. I posed these questions because I have to get new cailpers anyway. But since I already purchaced the GSR rotor sizes, why get ITR stuff? Anyway, Thanks for the feedback.

 

The piston is bigger and the caliper body isnt at all much taller than other DC Integra calipers. Think about it really hard. All DC integra non type r have a 10.2" disc. The ITR disc is 11.1". That means the extra radius is only .9 divided by two = .45" (because there are two sides to a rotor if split in half) so there is a little less than half an inch added to each side. There was no machining, trimming, cutting yada yada yada. There are MANY other H-T members who have done this and they fit right on. The ONLY thing that is needed to be done to use an ITR setup (unless you have the 23T caliper bracket) is to take of some material off the surface that mounts to the knuckle (which has absolutely nothing to do with the caliper fitting under any 15" Civic/Integra wheel its needed to have the bracket on the inner pad side clear the inside of the rotor)

Looks like your eyes decieved you. My brother still runs this setup (with Legend calipers which have fins that stick up and it STILL clears any 15in wheel he runs) My friend Josh, who runs the ITR setup, runs SI wheels on his and it clears. Ask around on Honda Tech. I wouldnt tell you to run something that wont work or lie to you. Now i run the S2K setup in front and would never tell someone they'd fit under a 15" Honda wheel (Although I have this setup that uses 11.8" rotors under 15"Motegi traklites)

 

Lastly, on the gsr brake system, how much fluid is required? Has anyboby calculated it? I was going to buy 2 litres of fluid, and my friend will give me the rest of his 1 can (about 75% full).

 

Lastly, on the gsr brake system, how much fluid is required? Has anyboby calculated it? I was going to buy 2 litres of fluid, and my friend will give me the rest of his 1 can (about 75% full).
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