stay with d series or go to b series??!!?!?

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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:28 PM
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Well its time for me to start saving up. I want to get some advice from you people who know more about hondas/motors then I. I owned a integra ls before some im pretty familiar with the b18.

If i do swap i would like to keep it obd1 so it wouldnt be to much of a hassle.

Im looking to build a pretty quick crx have around 190/200 HP boost or n/a(but would like to push more hp boosting)

Also would like it to be realiable since it will be my DD aswell.

Also a friend told me i should do a dohc ZC swap?

i never heard of a dohc zc and never heard of parts for them......
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:35 PM
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Default Re: stay with d series or go to b series??!!?!?

Life is simple: speed costs money, so how fast do you want to go?
I'm hear ya bro, I'd like a better motor too!
I would stay away form Vtec + boost - it can be a headache. for simplicities sake, pick one or the other.
DOHC ZC is a JDM motor. I got quoted just under $1k with a tranny. Its a nice motor, and there are ODB0/1/2 and SOHC versions. Stock i think the max is like 137hp/108tq *I think*
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:37 PM
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maybe an ls non-vtec swap on boost?
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:38 PM
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you don't know what a zc is? hmmm, ok. then your best bet is to keep it simple.

do a b16 or a b18a swap and run it.
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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i was really looking at the dohc zc

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30022

but i am worried about parts? where could i find parts?

Ryan: yeah i was thinking of looking for a obd1 ls and do a little internal work then boost.

but then again idk if i should stick with a d motor since ima n0000bie
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:43 PM
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well an LS is an easy, decent powered motor for the price and you dont have to worry about vtec or anything. That would be my best bet....just sayin :0
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan_G.
well an LS is an easy, decent powered motor for the price and you dont have to worry about vtec or anything. That would be my best bet....just sayin :0
is any fabricating or welding needed for a ls swap?
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:45 PM
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d series is SOOO much less modding. plus if you go USDM (most of them are) you'll find parts out the wazoo! but you'll be hard pressed to make that kinda power, even with boost. that little motor is gonna need some internal work if your gonna boost it to 200hp at the flywheel.
If your not happy with the power, your gonna swap AGAIN >.< better to measure three times and cut once. consider what you really want out of the car. consult some ppls who have performed the swap, maybe even help out with one so you know what you're gettin your noobass into. not hatin, imma noob too
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:46 PM
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into a rex?
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:50 PM
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Default Re: stay with d series or go to b series??!!?!?

well since you know a little about your b18 and such
I would swap it in and run it for a while (if it's complete already)
and then maybe further down the road put a b16 head on that thing and go ls/v-tec
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into a rex?
yes
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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Default Re: stay with d series or go to b series??!!?!?

well ive been looking for the past 4 min. and i dont think it requires anything like that haha :p but ya i would go with the non-vtec LS if you want to boost it. If you wanna keep it N/A ( ) then ya put a vtec head on it and go to town
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:54 PM
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fix all that is broken and leaking and worn first. Suspension, steering rack, brakes and bushings. then think about adding more power. Everyone always skips this step and it's the most important. Make sure the car is safe and handles properly before you think about a swap
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:56 PM
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^^^^ x2
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by .Manny.
fix all that is broken and leaking and worn first. Suspension, steering rack, brakes and bushings. then think about adding more power. Everyone always skips this step and it's the most important. Make sure the car is safe and handles properly before you think about a swap
yes im getting all that done this week
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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LS/vtec is sweet, but touchy. remember the ls has a longer stroke, which means low rev limit, so less time is vtec, or earlier vtec.
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 09:43 PM
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im goin b20 in my rex...everyone talks about the infamous "ticking time bomb" b20, but **** it...u want torque and power thats the way to go...
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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The b20 is a solid beast! but you need good head work done ($$$) before you mash on it. plus its kinda spendy, and not so many parts from what i've seen and heard. b series means your gonna have to make room for alt by denting ur engine bay. plus custom engine mounts, so your hood may or may not close right, depending on where you get your mounts...it really is easier to put d series in, if you don't NEED the extra power/or have the extra money (like me)
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 11:10 PM
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Default Re: stay with d series or go to b series??!!?!?

yup...but ive experienced a B20Z all motor with a b16 trans, and a B20b vtec on boost...and i fell in love lol
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 12:01 AM
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i fell in love once...she wont fit under the hood though.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 12:27 AM
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i got an ef with a dohc zc swapped in it and im stompin on b18's all day.... its got about 140hp with my intake and exhaust....pretty reliable and quick...parts arent difficult to come across but arent easy either...most d-series parts would fit check out my youtube channel fourster2 and check out the ole zc rapin a b20 vtec!!!! zc....
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 02:04 AM
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Default Re: stay with d series or go to b series??!!?!?

If you do it right

$1500-$2000...you can have a built vitara D making 300hp, or a stock block LS running 300hp...

If you don't like challenges, swap a B in there.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 07:13 AM
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hm idk something about a dohc zc makes me like it....

http://www.socalcivic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4320

are those parts that can be used on a dohc zc ^ ?


but if i wanted to swap a obd1 ls, id have to dent my engine bay a little? and get custom mounts? and mess with my hood?
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:12 AM
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no messin with the hood, just gotta get the right custom mounts, they'll put the motor in the right place.
Honestly, if you know where to look ZC parts are easy to find (even the "hard to find" ones) because those motors are all over japan, but they're expensive with shipping, and taxes.
That link is a very comprehensive list of things you'll need for the DOHC ZC, so yes they will work for replacement parts too.
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 01:14 PM
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i got a crx with a dohc zc swap in it. she moves pretty damn nice i was questioning goin b16 but its a lot of work and if u havnt done it before (which i havnt) it can be pretty damn hard from what i've veen told by friends and members here.go with the dohc zc u wont be disapointed
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