I called colletti motorsports in ohio and they wanted 400 for 2 hours of hondata tuning with air fuel and I was like that ridiculous. I was wondering where everyone else got theirs tuned and how much they paid. I am highly considering 4b now and tuning my own instead of 2b

 

thats what you would pay if you went through me.
if i had my own dyno i could charge less though

 

The local place with a wideband sensor charges $185/hr if you let them do everything (ie, if you own a Hondata Stage 2/3 and require them to use their stuff). They charge $125/hr if you do everything.

I have a Stage 4B kit and I tune my own stuff. My last visit to the dyno was 1.5 hours of self-tuning and I got out the door for ~180.

You have to consider that even though it costs less to tune it yourself, you may end up making mistakes and spending more time...so the amount of money is the same. It may take you 3 hours to tune your car (in this case, that's 375) or it may take them only 2 hours (370). If it were me, I'd say do it yourself and get the experience even if it costs you more. It all comes down to what you're comfortable with though.

Sonny


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That is an average going price with a wideband hooked up. I wouldnt recommend you tuning yourself unless you really know what you are doing, its too easy to screw something up. Although you have to learn somewhere if you want to start tuning yourself. Hondata is def. a good standalone system to learn on, then you once you master it you can work your way up to more advanced systems.

 

In car wideband kits don't seem quite so expensive when you compare them with dyno charges...

 

sonny- which shop do you go to?

 

you can build your own in car wideband I think for 300 so I might do that and use that to tune my pos

 

$$$!

 

$500 from SFP for about 4hrs of tuning of 2B for 10psi.

 

WOW. You guys pay a lot!

Mine is $100 an hour with Wideband O2.

 

I go to DynoSpot Racing. The first couple of times, I let them do it. Then I did it myself and sweated a lot. Then it was fun after that.

Sonny

 

I paid about $30 an hour for installation(well installation of injectors and resistor pack) and tuning of hondata on the dyno w/ air/fuel, hehe thanks to secret services.

 

I charge $75 an hour for wideband street tuning which usually takes about 4hrs. Dyno time is in addition.

Jeeze, I may have to start charging people more given what other people charge. Maybe people are gonna think I'm not capable of doing a good job 'cause I charge so little! hee hee

 

I understand that hondata is one of the simplest standalone to use and tune. If this was the case shouldn't it take an experience tuner no more then 2 hours to tune. Anything more then I would have to say that the tuner is still learning also. Just my opinion.

 

hah!
just try it sometime and get a car to run like stock from idle all the way to full boost. I wish it were that easy. look at all the reports back from people who went to the dyno and had their cars tuned only to have hesitation problems driving on the street. Even going from the dyno back to the street there is a 3 point difference in lambda values (LEANER!) showing the difference in loads is marked.

 

Tuning for max power is nice and all on the dyno, but once you actaully start driving you car and jerks all over the place at part throttle you're gonna get real pissed real quick. You could go back to the dyno and try to tune your part throttle curves, but that would take many pulls and it still wouldn' be right for real world driving. Best thing is street wideband tuning hands down.

 

I undertstand that it is hard to make things perfect and I'm not doubting your experience. All I'm saying is that if you do things for a while at least some things will come easily. All cars react different but I'm sure they do have similarity. In the end it all comes down to trust. Some tuners/shop waste time when they know what the problem is already. I would be **** to spend $400 on the dyno knowing that I will need to spend other $400 street tuning. This already is cost of the standalone.

 

BTW, as for the complexity of tuning for boost and drivability, SFP took 98 or 99 dyno pulls before it was finished

 

I am paying $1700. for the AEM plug and play unit, and all the tuning needed, my guy says its going to take about 3-5 hours on the dyno, and he's even going to let me hang out while he does it, the AEM is suposed to sell for no less than $1450 as dictated by AEM, but hes going to sell it for around $1200. he gets $125 an hour on the dyno...

 

each car has its ups and downs. Some cars may only take 12-15 runs to get tuned in, others have taken me as many as 85! Remember, often times you're tuning more than just the Hondata itself (boost controllers, cam gears, other associated stuff). This is why I charge a flat rate for Hondata install/tune.

 

Now I see why some people use piggyback/VAFC method and most of the time this works well. Sometimes even better then some people who have hondata. Tuning cost more then the unit itself!!!

I just wanted to make the point that after doing something for a while some things should come natural. It depends on what is being tuned but I think taking over 80 runs to tune is ridicules. I thought basemaps were created from the 80
+ tunes to avoid another 80 tunes. Like I said its my opinion. I've never tune with the hondata or use it yet.

 

Basemaps are to be used as a GUIDELINE ONLY. You cant just take one and apply
it to another car. It doesnt work, plain and simple. You give me a car that runs
low boost, say 6psi and i'll have it tuned within 2 hours easy. raise that to say 12psi
and you have just added another hour or so to tune to higher boost levels.
It keeps going like that, the more variables you have the longer it takes no matter
how good you are.

 

I know basemaps are to be use a guideline only but since you can drive around with a basemap can we assume that it is over 50% tuned? You're talking about a situation where one is tuning for different level of boost. I was talking about tuning for 1 set boost level. Let me re-phrase. All I'm saying is that if you are truly experience with tuning it should not take you more then 2 hours to tune a car for 1 set boost level.

 

after reading all these posts, I think I am going to buy 4b and a techedge wide band and street tune it with my laptop. 90 dynos my *** that crazy. I got the track about 5 times a year so I dont need max power being good on the streets is what I need so I might forget the dyno time and save a litte more for 4b and a wideband

 

i took mine 2 days ago to Elite Motorsporrts in minisota. I called in advance to get an estimate they said $140per hour for dyno with wideband and as many runs as needed in the hour, my tunner estimated 2 hours for tunning up to 20psi. So i get there he spends an hour trying to figure why my car cant pull over 200hp come to find out the fuel pump was not suficiant unlike hondata says! so the whole time he had been tunning wrong, so we put in a new fuel pump (bbk) and the pressure is great now. Then the map sensor is bad (gm 3 bar) so he goes with the stock honda one. He pulled 259hp out of my b16a2 with 8to1 compression at only 10psi. i was totally satisfied! After all the probs, changine my pump while car was on dyno and retunning he charged me for the 2 hours $280 total that he had quoted me. Then i watched him pull 155hp froma stock civic si with just weld on muffler and apc cold air intake, with a hondata 2b. the tunner is Issac, and i recomend him to anyone, fair prices and great tunning. As for the road tunning i have not had that done yet and the ride to the dyno was 9 hours on a basemap from c-speed. it took me 3 tanks of gas to get there and the car was jerky as hell at about 80mph. on the way back the car drove totally fine and only took 2 tanks of gas to get home. Im sure street tunning would help alot as i know what you talking about with the little jerks when out of boost but i dont drive my car enough to worry about it. OH also i dynoed my car on the basemap at 10psi i made 190hp so the $280 for tunning bringing me to 259hp was well worth it. ill post a vid up for ya in a bit


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