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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 08:50 PM
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I know someone who is selling there tranny from there 96 accord LX and I wanted to buy it but I'm unsure if it will fit in my 97 accord EX cuz I know that the EX has a F22B1 and the lx has a F22B2 so can u please help me fellas?
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:13 PM
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Yea im pretty shur it should work as long as you are replacing an automatic with an automatic i dont see y you would any problems. And if it is automatic take the oil out of the torque converter so when you fill it up again, all you have is new oil.
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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I would be replacing an 5 speed with a 5 speed in this case and I was unsure just cuz the engine different in lx and ex and I heard that trannies had codes and what not
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:52 PM
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yea you should be fine anyway, just make sure when you swap it that u make sure you check the clutch on the tranny your putting on. I used to have a 90 si prelude, and needed a cheap tranny, so i got one from my friend of his 88, installed it without changing the clutch on it, started the car, put it in gear and heard a hell alot of grinding noise. I then took everything out again cuz the car didn't move; i forgot to check wut i just told you, and found out that the shaft from the tranny ate the teeth on my clutch, so i bought the clutch for that tranny, and all went well.
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 10:23 PM
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All H series and F series trannys are interchangeable. So you can mate a F22b2 5 speed tranny with an F22B1 thats was 5 speed, you can mate a F22B1 automatic tranny on an F22A1 that was 5 speed...you can mate a H22 5 speed on an F22B1 that was automactic (thats what I did). It will work fine
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 10:27 PM
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does an h to an f series bolt right in?
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 03:32 AM
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yup. It's a perfect fit.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 06:12 AM
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is it a smart thing to do if you bolted an h22 tranny into an f22b2? any acceleration gains? mpg gains? losses?
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 08:03 AM
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Can't say much about the acceleration because It's a stock F22, but it is funner driving around the city with the short ratios. But the highway kinda sucks because going 80 the engine is revving at 4250, but I drove 400 miles on the highway a few weeks ago and It held up fine. City wise the mpg is the same, highway it's a little less, so If you do a lot of highway driving, I'd stick to an F22 tranny
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 08:08 AM
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Just a quick question:
How much does an auto tranny weigh for the 5th gen and if you replace it can you do it w/o removing the motor?
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by davey5300
Can't say much about the acceleration because It's a stock F22, but it is funner driving around the city with the short ratios. But the highway kinda sucks because going 80 the engine is revving at 4250, but I drove 400 miles on the highway a few weeks ago and It held up fine. City wise the mpg is the same, highway it's a little less, so If you do a lot of highway driving, I'd stick to an F22 tranny
what does a shorter ratio mean? also, can i reuse the axles on my f22 tranny on the h22 tranny?
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dleccord
what does a shorter ratio mean? also, can i reuse the axles on my f22 tranny on the h22 tranny?
he is refering to the gear ratios being shorter. i guess the easiest way to explain it is that you have to shift sooner in the h22 tranny. this means acceleration will be faster but you will loose out on the top end (you can get to a lower top speed more quickly.) not sure about reusing the axles. it runs in my mind that you can use them but the h22 ones are stronger, davey5300 might be able to answer that. but i'm sure it has been covered before, try searching.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 19Accord97
Just a quick question:
How much does an auto tranny weigh for the 5th gen and if you replace it can you do it w/o removing the motor?
no clue on the weight. i'm pretty sure you can drop the tranny without pulling the engine, but some of the bolts are a b**** to get to, thats how it was on the '89 prelude i did the rear main on anyways. you will need some kind of jack to lift the tranny though. it can be done with a floor jack and a board or 2 but a tranny jack is much easier and safer. get a haynes or chiltons if you dont have one, if you are broke try borrowing one from the library
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 11:50 AM
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^^Exactly what Cstone said. The Accord axles and Intermediate shaft can be used with an H22 Tranny, but everyone says the H22's are alot stronger. But you should try searching.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cstone
no clue on the weight. i'm pretty sure you can drop the tranny without pulling the engine, but some of the bolts are a b**** to get to, thats how it was on the '89 prelude i did the rear main on anyways. you will need some kind of jack to lift the tranny though. it can be done with a floor jack and a board or 2 but a tranny jack is much easier and safer. get a haynes or chiltons if you dont have one, if you are broke try borrowing one from the library
Thanks! I was just wondering. Hopefully I won't need this info for another 150k miles!
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 08:36 PM
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can we pull the last gear from the f22 and put it in the h22 so the rpm isnt as high on freeways?

btw, do all preludes run at 4200rpm at 80 on the freeway?
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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While your at it change the crank seal too. I made the mistake of not doing it. When it goes bad it leaks oil onto the clutch
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 09:49 PM
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Everything bolts up. How much are you spending on the transmission and why are you replacing?
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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cstone
he is refering to the gear ratios being shorter. i guess the easiest way to explain it is that you have to shift sooner in the h22 tranny. this means acceleration will be faster but you will loose out on the top end (you can get to a lower top speed more quickly.) not sure about reusing the axles. it runs in my mind that you can use them but the h22 ones are stronger, davey5300 might be able to answer that. but i'm sure it has been covered before, try searching.
You are correct in all respects but one (I think).

Assuming that this engine does not have the cahones to pull redline in top gear, which I think is a fairly safe assumption, you might find that a lower top gear final ratio may, in fact, pull to a higher top speed. I used to have an old SHO which was actually as fast or maybe even a tad quicker in fourth gear since you could run it right into the rev limiter, somewhere around 145 mph. Fifth would only pull to a little better than 5K revs. What an awesome engine that yamaha V-6 was. Unfortunately it was surrounded by ford bits.

I would still go with the higher ratio tranny unless all you are concerned with is wringing ever last bit of performance you can out of it.
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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 04:25 AM
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You are correct in all respects but one (I think).

Assuming that this engine does not have the cahones to pull redline in top gear, which I think is a fairly safe assumption, you might find that a lower top gear final ratio may, in fact, pull to a higher top speed. I used to have an old SHO which was actually as fast or maybe even a tad quicker in fourth gear since you could run it right into the rev limiter, somewhere around 145 mph. Fifth would only pull to a little better than 5K revs. What an awesome engine that yamaha V-6 was. Unfortunately it was surrounded by ford bits.

I would still go with the higher ratio tranny unless all you are concerned with is wringing ever last bit of performance you can out of it.

The problem with what your saying is that your 5th gear wouldn't pull any faster because you lacked power. If you had 250+whp then the 4th would pull to 140 in 4th and then 5th would go even higher.
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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 05:32 AM
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The problem with what your saying is that your 5th gear wouldn't pull any faster because you lacked power. If you had 250+whp then the 4th would pull to 140 in 4th and then 5th would go even higher.
That is what I am saying. In cases where drag limits speed rather than redline, which happens to be the case most of the time, a lowering of gearing will frequently result in a higher top speed. This assumes that speed is not past the engine's peak power.

I don't have numbers in front of me, but, I believe the engine in question makes peak power somewhere in the neighborhood of 6K. This translates to a 5th gear speed of what? Somewhere around 160?

So, top end in a stock 5 speed is somewhere between 4 and 5K, I think. This is well below this engine's peak power. Therefor, a lowering of gear ratios should mean a slightly higher top speed since the engine is able to reach a higher power output.

All right. I'm done hijacking this thread into a physics discussion.
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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by dleccord
can we pull the last gear from the f22 and put it in the h22 so the rpm isnt as high on freeways?

btw, do all preludes run at 4200rpm at 80 on the freeway?
Yes, you can use an F22 5th gear in a H22 tranny. You'll need a hydraulic press to press out the right gear. You gotta know what gear you're using because they all look identical.

Not all H22 trans run at 4K while doing 80mph. My T2T4 mated with the JDM H22A runs at 4K while at 80. My buddy's M2A4 mated with a JDM H22A runs at 3.5K while doing 80mph.
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Old Jan 23, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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haha i wasnt trying to get technical. i just wanted to give a pretty simple explaination since the person who's question i was answering didnt seem to know what gear ratio meant.
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