Attempted to do timing belt. Ran into alot of issues. I have a simmilar posting in another forum but i need a answer quick. Took timing belt off. Tried to get back on seems like its off. Exhaust cam is good. Intake cam seems to be off 180. Idk. Timing on the dist. Shows its on cyl. #3 when cyl #1 is up on compression. Im lost. Confused. Cam on intake side is not lign up. Didnt do anything really. Showing its on #3 and not #1. What do i do Here are photos showing alignment before started. Red marks in center and strait ups show its on timing. I never took the belt off and ROTOR was setup on ORDER # 3 when Cyl #1 TCD. Does anyone know whats out of timing or anything here are the photos. Pic of dist. Cap where is broken is where rotor is and i believe it is not correct.

 

everything looks normal. turn your motor counter clockwise a few times to see if it all lines up at TDC. make sure that your TDC mark on the crank pulley is dead on and both cam gears having the up arrow be straight up as possible as it can be

 

http://timingbelt.soben.com/

this is a video of Jeff Evans installing camshafts. it should lead you in the right direction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMgAHBGcJg

 

Ill check it out, Thats not my head with the belt on, thats the one i took off, and was before. Didnt get any shots of the new belt becasue i was short fused today. Maby if i can populate some sort of idea of what went wrong i can attempt tommorrow with a level head. Anticipated the timing belt. Didnt go well. I should of taken some pics of today with my issue but wasnt thinking clearly. Wanted better results today and didnt happen, Every thing does look good becasue it was all how it was when i got, probably should of not changed timing belt, OEM stock one you see looks fine. Wanted to put a new one on just becasue... Never had this type of problem before and being that the valvetrain is everything on these, that would be the first gone by a simple mistake. Thanks ill check this out.

 

take the belt off and turn the cam gears so that both are facing up...i think you just dont know what you're doing

 

Well thanks i feel a little better. As far as the rotor any idea on that or am i still in the "dont know what im doing " category. Again is it positioned wrong. but cylinder is not...

 

Well i found these pages. Will try to set cams with pin. This is probably what i should follow, Watched all videos, Seems like a easier way to set timing belt by taking cam plates out and holders. I just had a serious issue with over tq and snap bolt. Trying to do the belt with out taking cam shafts out. Looking to just start at bottom and work my way up to top.

 

new pic

 

why would you take the cams out to do a timing belt? in jeff's video he was just doing a cam swap.

i am having a hard time understanding your post. the explanation was very unclear. i guess pics would help. you can actually do it without pins.

 

Look at the picture again sherlock, the cam gears are positioned correctly. I think you just don't know what you're talking about.

 

He stated that those pics were of the old belt.

Why dont you take some pics of what it looks like right now, that would help.

 

LOL read the post rice boy before you make stupid useless comments just to jump up your number of posts. OP is making it very hard to understand what the heck he is doing wrong. he does not need to take off the cam caps to change his timing belt. if he would of aligned everything at TDC before taking off the old belt then nothing would be mis aligned. but even if he didnt he could still make sure everything is aligned even with the belt off by turning the crank pulley counter clockwise til it reaches TDC. with the belt off he should be able to turn the cam gears so that both are facing in the UP direction with a 14mm socket or wrench.

 

Ok well Sorry for the Confusing bullshit. The pics were before i dissasembled everything. My brain is scattered right now and nothing makes sence. Im just scared something will blow. Yea This was the First time i EVER did a timing belt let alone on a Honda. Cams were correct. THis was before i took apart.


Why is my Distributor at wrong position. Can we awnser that. Is the thing in the right stroke but needs to be on the intake stroke. I could not watch the timing marks on the engine and the dist. at same time. Was confusion there


today i cooled the F off and went and tried again. Came up with almost ok results

The engine and belt is at my garage which is roughly 30 miles away Just left and didnt even want to return when i bitched out. Thas why i had no pics. I knew wqhen i was gone everyone would have wonderfull imput.

Checked marks. Everything seems ok. JUST conserned about the TENSION now. Seems a little loose but again, it could be tight enough. I do not know.

 

just make sure you slide the belt onto the exhaust camgear first before the intake. there should be no more than a 1/2 inch of slack on the exhaust side after you tightened your built using the correct procedure. you will need to use a timing gun to adjust your distributor or could of made a mark on it when it was at tdc. if your belt is too loose you can jump a teeth once the car starts.

 

Think i fuct up.

Put the Intake side on first. Than exhaust. Started at bottom. Belt tensioner was loosened. Held the belt on bottom markings. Looped through tensioner. Kept tight and got around the water pump gearing. Put the intake side on than exhaust. Afraid this is the wrong way. I am about to call a mechanic or technician. the engine is sitting in my garage. i JUST sealed everything up too all new gaskets. Suddenly thinking i did do it wrong and it will jump a tooth or teeth. There is no way i can insure this issue.
Dist. Was never touched. I purchased new rotor the other day becasue it was in the spot it is and looked slightly charred.Never installed new one. *Idiot who pulled engine first off. crushed cap by pulling it out and created this work for me to begin with. I never did anything to the cap and rotor so it was untouched. cant figure out if its supposed to be at that location or it was pulled off and put back on the wrong way but i read it can not go on the wrong way. the jeff video showed him do something which caught my eye. My dad says its 180 out. I dont think it is becasue i never touched the position of rotor. He dont know much about hondas i have second thought. Can we tell by examine pictures if looks slightly right. I got the markings all correct. Tightness on the belt seemed to be tight around top cam gears but had some Deflection on both sides.

Thanks for your help - Joe

 

the point of going around the exhaust cam gear first is because the tensioner sits on the intake side. by sliding it on the exhaust cam gear first it creates enough tension so that the belt wont slack on the exhaust side after tightening the 14mm bolt. man if you lived in the same town as me i'd do it for free LOL. try looking it up on team-integra.com they have a nice write up about doing timing belts, even my Chilton book explains it fairly well to understand

 

plus if you didnt remove the distributor and all your TDC marks are ligned up then you should be fine

 

I hope because at the same time im excited. Got a little heated on this one becasue its the last thing. Not sure if it means anything but i did rotate the engine multiple times 6-12 atleast rotated 6 times around twice. No friction. Stopping. No hard movment.

 

Ok here is a picture of what i was working with before, I did snap a shot. Im just going to go with what i got.

 

thats way off. move your intake cam to the right about a teeth or so. i gurantee you that it will not start

 

Yeah, thats way off. It should be within a 1/2 tooth max, no more.

 

it looks like your distributor is 180 out.. is it in correctly?

you have too much slack on the belt to boot.

 

loosen the 14mm bolt tensioner and pop off the belt from both cam gears. use a 14mm to turn the intake cam gear about a tooth or more to make it straight up. then put the belt over the exhaust cam gear then the intake cam gear making sure both are still aligned at top dead center. once the belt is on rotate the motor counter clockwise a few times to make sure everything is still aligned then turn it to a point where all three sides of the belt is somewhat tight. then tigthen up the 14mm tensioner bolt. once you do that then align it up at TDC and check for any slack. remember that when you loosen the 14mm tension bolt you should have enough slack on the belt to remove and install the timing belt without having to remove the cam caps and cams.

 

Thanks for pointing that the dist. IS 180 out. what do i do next as far as making the dist. right. DO i remove it with 2 bolts. Thinking it was put on or was not running right and could of been reason why it was pulled. Been trying to figure it out. No search, forum post or manual that i have or can read will show me what to do. or what the correct position is. I am totally new to the engine. This is turning slightly into a nightmare. What pics are we going by becasue all the pictures with the original honda belt (black) were Before i replaced timing belt. I did attempt to put black back on and did get the teeth mis aligned. Photos showing a tooth out. But all the pictures with the BLUE belt is the new belt and need to know if it looks tight enough. Where is the slack on the belt Boot? Let me know if everything blue looks alright. How do i return the dist. Back to original spot. Replace rotor and put it 180 from where it is? could some one have done that ? Nothing was ever touched was told this thing ran

 

the distributor can only be off if you took it off or didnt line up your TDC marks. the timing belt on your new pics do look like its loose on the intake side. like i said make sure your cam gears are both saying directly up when you instsall the belt. if its not redo it again.

here is a pic of mine.