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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 01:40 PM
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I'm ready to buy some dedicated autocross tires. I've been reading and reading over the winter and because of all the options out there nowadays, it gets overwhelming. I only want to be competitive locally so there is no need for A6's/v710's/bfg r1. The majority of cars in my area run r compounds or street tires and a couple z06's on hoosiers. I've already ran dunlop star specs and currently have rt615, but I want something considerably better. Tire longevity isn't too much of a problem because I only autox one weekend a month with six runs a day.

I was thinking about nt-01's($525 shipped). I know they won't get up to ideal operating temperature but am I safe to say semi warm nt-01 will perform better than a street tire? Summers here get 100 degrees + and I plan on using tire warmers and co-drive with my brother to keep the tires on the move. What would you tire experts suggest?

BTW heres my setup.

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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 06:07 PM
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you gonna get the hammer when stinky gets back

look at this,

https://honda-tech.com/forums/road-racing-autocross-time-attack-19/tires-spring-2709659/

my advice, since it looks like you're in DS, get a set of toyo RA1's if you are looking for a set of r-comps but don't want to go the hoosier/kumho route.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 90_EX_Civic
you gonna get the hammer when stinky gets back

look at this,

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2709659

my advice, since it looks like you're in DS, get a set of toyo RA1's if you are looking for a set of r-comps but don't want to go the hoosier/kumho route.
That why Im asking now

I already read and participated in that thread. From my understanding now, its hoosiers/v7100 or plain street tires?

So I guess my question is, can semi warm nt-01's/r888/A048 be faster than star spec/re-11/Ad08 in an autox coarse?
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 09:22 PM
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Yet another tire question...

We get these questions a couple times a week. Or just before winter is over.
Thats why the moderators regulate the way they do.
Almost like clock work we get MANY repeat questions.

When a new product comes out it finds its way here for discussion but not repetitively.
Some examples are:

Seats... help me pick one that i have no intention on sitting in before i buy it.

Shocks.. what should i buy...? are these any good (insert pic of some severly used shocks)

Help me with my set up... and I want to build a race car with no track experience... I need to spend all this money now and forget about learning how to drive.

The list goes on and on. With some patience and careful research you can find your answer.
In your posts let people know where your from.
There is always someone close to you to guide you to good information.

Best advice is to go out to an event. See what everyone is running.
Talk to those who are doing it now in your area.
There has never been anyone I talked to who wouldnt offer some advice.
Contact your local chapter of what ever sanctioning body you choose to run in, and get in on their forums.
While on those forums you will begin to see who is a tech inspector, or a successful racer/autoXer.
Those are the minds you want to pick and get the secrets behind their success.

Most of all Search and read .. then read some more.
Good Luck
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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So I guess my question is, can semi warm nt-01's/r888/A048 be faster than star spec/re-11/Ad08 in an autox coarse?[/QUOTE]


All of this above is more dependent on the driver.
Not one tire over another makes a car faster.
It's the training the driver has that makes the car go fast and stay fast.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:22 PM
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Default Re: Yet another tire question.

Originally Posted by jdm_dc_fan
That why Im asking now

I already read and participated in that thread. From my understanding now, its hoosiers/v7100 or plain street tires?

So I guess my question is, can semi warm nt-01's/r888/A048 be faster than star spec/re-11/Ad08 in an autox coarse?

r-comps will always be faster then a street tire.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 07:13 AM
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Hoosier A6 is the AutoX R comp of chioce.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....r&tireModel=A6
Ra-1, R888 are great tires at the track but they need too much heat built up for AutoX. Even with warmers you will most likely loose the heat while waiting on the grid to start your runs.

If your reagion isnt very competetive then I would also suggest the BS Potenza RE-11. I am using this tire in STX and after 6 years of AutoX it is the best street tire I have ever driven on.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 01:11 PM
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Default Re: Yet another tire question.

Originally Posted by dirty19
Yet another tire question...

We get these questions a couple times a week. Or just before winter is over.
Thats why the moderators regulate the way they do.
Almost like clock work we get MANY repeat questions.

When a new product comes out it finds its way here for discussion but not repetitively.
Some examples are:

Seats... help me pick one that i have no intention on sitting in before i buy it.

Shocks.. what should i buy...? are these any good (insert pic of some severly used shocks)

Help me with my set up... and I want to build a race car with no track experience... I need to spend all this money now and forget about learning how to drive.

The list goes on and on. With some patience and careful research you can find your answer.
In your posts let people know where your from.
There is always someone close to you to guide you to good information.

Best advice is to go out to an event. See what everyone is running.
Talk to those who are doing it now in your area.
There has never been anyone I talked to who wouldnt offer some advice.
Contact your local chapter of what ever sanctioning body you choose to run in, and get in on their forums.
While on those forums you will begin to see who is a tech inspector, or a successful racer/autoXer.
Those are the minds you want to pick and get the secrets behind their success.

Most of all Search and read .. then read some more.
Good Luck
I always attend locall events and Im to the point were I want a faster tire. I can draw one out of a hat and learn from experience or ask other people with experience then find out for myself. The question I ask is straight forward and I understand how you feel about tire threads cluttering this section. But I honestly think this topic hasnt been covered enough. From experience I've seen cars at autox running on r compounds getting faster times than people on I dont know kumho xs. I know and believe the saying practice, practice, practice but how long do you wait to move up to compotion tires. Everytime i buy a tire I try to buy something new to expand my experience. So I'm at the point were i want dedicated auto x tire.
Originally Posted by 90_EX_Civic
r-comps will always be faster then a street tire.
this is what I want to understand from local events.
Originally Posted by get RIGHT
If your reagion isnt very competetive then I would also suggest the BS Potenza RE-11. I am using this tire in STX and after 6 years of AutoX it is the best street tire I have ever driven on.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 01:23 PM
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Nothing to add, but I was wanting to try out the Kumho XS this autox season. I did pretty well with RT615's I had before. Not sure if the XS will be an improvement. We shall see.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 02:12 PM
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Default Re: Yet another tire question.

Nevermind. found some victoracer v700's for 600+ shipping. I thought they were alot more expensive.

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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jdm_dc_fan
Nevermind. found some victoracer v700's for 600+ shipping. I thought they were alot more expensive.

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Where?
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Natural Aspirations
Where?
http://www.tirerack.com/cart/HoldingArea.jsp
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 03:13 PM
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if you are going that route, and these are straight up autox tire's only, just go and get the v710's. it's kind of like saying why buy one shoe when you should buy both. you won't really have any excuse's then. it'll be all driver error if you mess up.
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 10:51 PM
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V700s will most likely be garbage for autoxing (or almost anything else, for that matter... ). And for that price, you might as well get the 710s, which will be not much more.

I've ridden in a car with NT01s on an autox course, and it took awhile to get heat in them; basically, it didn't happen. I don't know for sure if it would've been better or not with street tires, but think it probably would have been.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 05:25 AM
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JDM DC Fan, I know you are just competing locally, but SCCA doesn't allow JDM cars to compete. The car had to be manufactured here in the states and sold in the states. But since you are just competing locally I doubt anyone will really protest you, but be aware of the possibility.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by blaze the chemi
JDM DC Fan, I know you are just competing locally, but SCCA doesn't allow JDM cars to compete. The car had to be manufactured here in the states and sold in the states. But since you are just competing locally I doubt anyone will really protest you, but be aware of the possibility.
So they exclude cars manufactured in Japan even though they were sold in the U.S. as standard USIM versions? Like the Integra Type R, NSX, etc? Are you sure that's what you mean? Or do you mean that cars must be production versions sold in the U.S. (or North America), regardless of where they were manufactured?
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nsxtasy
So they exclude cars manufactured in Japan even though they were sold in the U.S. as standard USIM versions? Like the Integra Type R, NSX, etc? Are you sure that's what you mean? Or do you mean that cars must be production versions sold in the U.S. (or North America), regardless of where they were manufactured?
Sorry that I didn't explain it better. If his car was actually made to be sold in Japan (RHD/JDM) then it is not legal. The USDM ITR and NSX race all the time in my region, but they were sold by Acura, not Honda so they are legal.
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by blaze the chemi
they were sold by Acura, not Honda so they are legal.
Originally Posted by blaze the chemi
The car had to be manufactured here in the states and sold in the states.
But you do know that Integra's, some Civics, NSX, were still manufactured in Japan, right? The VIN # indicates this ("JHxxxx...").
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by blaze the chemi
JDM DC Fan, I know you are just competing locally, but SCCA doesn't allow JDM cars to compete. The car had to be manufactured here in the states and sold in the states. But since you are just competing locally I doubt anyone will really protest you, but be aware of the possibility.
You are correct. The car had to have been sold through a dealership in the U.S. or canada to qualify for stock class. I can physically compete but I will be in a class that makes it unfair for me. Regardless, I plan on having fun and still plan to run on good tires because I'm gonna need all the help I can get. And btw I have access to an 06 EVO MR if I really wanna compete for points
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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by blaze the chemi
JDM DC Fan, I know you are just competing locally, but SCCA doesn't allow JDM cars to compete. The car had to be manufactured here in the states and sold in the states. But since you are just competing locally I doubt anyone will really protest you, but be aware of the possibility.
I posted in my local forum and they follow the rule book as much as possible. I'm glad they do though.
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