Hey im in come home from iraq soon and im looking to put something nice into my del sol when i get home. and i plan to go turbo. LS Vtec or Type R.

I know with R compression being so high, is it worth dropping low com pistions?

(if all fails g35 coupe it is, but im not ever going to mess with hondas if i do get the g35. they get beat all the time by hondas! lol)

 

type r.
ls-vtecs wont be very daily driver..lots of maintenance comes with it.
i had a friend who did ls-vtec, boy was he frustrated

 

What kind of power are you after? If you're going for high power maybe a GS-R engine would be better, because there will be less work to prep it for power and high rpm use and you'll want to swap pistons anyways. I'd honestly just try to pick between LS, LS-V and GS-R for any kind of turbo build, because ITR is buying a lot of engine you don't need and aren't going to keep.

LS-V can be reliable but it takes a lot of care and $$ to get them that way and you might be better starting from a B18C1?

Edit: Congrats for making it home

 

LS-V can be reliable. It depends how much money you spend though.

 

how much can you spend?

jdm gsr is around $1600
jdm type r around $2500

custom build ?$

the jdm gsr is 10.6-1 and the r 11:1 compression, if you ran on e85 either would be really easy to tune. on pump gas you can still do it, i just have no idea where you'll run out of octane. how much power are you going for anyway?

 

LS/Vtec you can build to have more power than a Civic Type R motor, but theres always 'human-error' to throw in there, so ITR might be safer, unless you know what ur doing or can pay someone who does LS/VTEC is way to go.

 

dang you can find jdm type r's for around 2500?? where are u looking?? haha

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Acura...#ht_6334wt_939

i bought one of these two years ago off these guys. also have bought an f22b for my friends CL. they sell decent engines, i personally haven't had an issue one with these guys.

 

This is not necessarily true. If you build your Ls/Vtec properly, you can have a very reliable conversion.

Here is a great write up on the subject.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/how-build-%22reliable%22-lsvtec-b20vtec-1676914/

 

type r. lsv is just a money pig. require tons of tuning too.

 

Your friend obviously did it wrong. Mine has been a daily driver since '03 and has 80k miles on it. The motor has been apart 1 time during that stint and that was not because I was forced to...rather to add more stuff.

 

hmm for ls-v it'll take some work and for a type r motor, sure it is great, but as they all said it up there it's all about how much $$ you want to spend...and btw sure g35 will beat civic but what happens when you are cruising one day and a little 4-banger civic comes passing by and you can't keep up XD lol.

 

unless you get a type-r cheap, then dont do it... its a waste.. you can drop in a gsr for half the price, mod it, and smoke a type r, for the same money.. getting a b18c5 is more for status.. its a great stock motor, but when you get down to it, its still nothing more than a b18 bottom end with a b16 head, and the internals are beefed up..

LSVTEC/B20VTEC can be VERY reliable and last a long time.. IF they are built right..I would go b20 vtec, or get a b16, and boost it..

 

ls vtec.......... I had my since 06 stock and turbo with a **** load of miles then last year I upgrade to pistons and rods and still running strong....

 

^^^ see? lol

 

not so, a gsr engine is somewhere around 700-800 less than a type r. if you were to add R cams, a single runner manifold and the R intake valve springs and R TB you would spend $700 not counting any labor or gaskets. in fact, here's one from the same seller i posted above. $800 less

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Integ...#ht_7074wt_939

 

i wanna know where you guys are getting your information about ls-vtec motors, saying there unreliable lol. its almost exactly like buying a gsr motor, the ls has better sleeves and it also has a larger crank. and doesnt have oil squirters.
you buy a ls-v kit. 200 bucks. get a vtec ecu. 100 bucks put a vtec head on it. they even make pre burned chips for proper tuning without a dyno. just call a shop, there is no extra maint.
if you dont know what your talking about please dont post telling ppl what not to do when you obviously have no idea what your talking about.its the most bang for your buck and certainly is CHEAPER than buying a full vtec swap. do some research. then repost. if your friend had a bad experience then he did it wrong or bought from the wrong person. and if i am wrong please explain what makes them unreliable

 

bolting a vtec head on a stock b18b bottom end is why they are unreliable. if you use aftermarket rods, sure that helps quite a bit. arp main studs, even better. however, by the time you do this, the machine work, buy the head and set it up you'll be hard pressed to do it for less than a jdm gsr.

 

rods has nothing to do with it unless your trying to race it. yea, dont try to rev to 8k. buy arp rod bolts and they will take it. i have build 5 of these engines 2 of them are boosted and there all around 30-50k miles, with vtec heads. i have a friend who had a stock ls-v on 18lbs ran for two years. the first thing to let go on that motor was the oil pump. it exploded, this guy doenst want to build a race motor. and the motor is as reliable as you make it. if this were a dd or he kept it stock. i bet itd last damn near forever, but when you get into performance everything becomes more unreliable. this motor is no different than a modded gsr or itr or anything else you want to build.
jdm gsr motors are about 2500. gsr head =500 ls bottom =about 100 depending where you look. ecu and conversion kit =300 and random things if he wants extras, less money more to build with rather that spending a **** ton for something stock.
dunno about you but i would rather buy a car for 1,000and invest 14 grand and make a beast rather than buy a stock 15,000$ car

 

boost a LS and put the rest of the money into rods and pistons and a good tune

 

I have no experience with turbo but i can say that LSV can be reliable with what we have avaliable now a days. Maybe like 6 years ago when people just started doing them and making their own dowel pins but with the correct ls vtec kit, time, and patient it can just be as reliable as any fresh motor. Im in the process of getting mine built by RNR. (lsvtec408) He has a lot of voucher and very skilled with his work. Here are my specs..i'll be able to show numbers in a couple of weeks...

b16 head slightly ported
jdm itr 4-1 headers
2.5 inch piping
blox type b cams
supertech dual valvespring and titanium retainer
84.5mm wiseco 11.5:1 pistons
eagle rods
acl bearings
b18 block bored out to 84.5mm
oem itr water pump
oem itr oil pump
oem itr timing belt
oem itr timing belt tensioner
oem itr tb
oem itr manifold

Im going a bit conservative because this is my dd and i dont want to get **** from cops so i wanna be able to pass a visual test...