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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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So i have a question about my rack and pinion... Heres the problem, while braking I have vibration thats not coming from the brakes or wheel bearing but from the rack its self... The pic below shows where its really loose at! I was soundering if theres any advice on replacing this, if i can rebuild it or even just tightn this... Thanks!!!

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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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hmmm i cant see pics from work. but can you describe what youre ponting at? sorry.

is it the rack end bushing?
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:10 PM
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ah i looked at the pics thru my blackberry.

yeah, rack end bushing. very common wear item in all manual racks.


long discusion here. cheap part, but kinda difficult to get to. really do recommend dropping the whole rack in order to replace it. dont forget to adjust the pinion too.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/crx-rack-end-bushing-1117870/
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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SWEEEET THANKS MAN!
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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could this also cause a minor clunking noise, and slight shake under accerlation ? It is not the axles I have already replaced them
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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absolutely.

it really needs to be changed if it hasnt already on all CRX's and civics (with manual racks). the feel is SO much better after.

and theres no "rebuilt" manual rack available as far as i have seen. if its listed for the crx, then its probably mistaken as a crossover part for the power steering civics. the reason is probably that theres really nothing to "rebuild" other than the bushing and the pinion bearing. the labor to take the rack out to swp is 90% of the labor to do replace the bushing. the pinion bearing doesnt need to be replaced unless youre completely taking the pinion out.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 01:17 PM
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Cool man thanks a lot. What I will do is buy both bushings and inner tie rod ends, the outers have been replaced recently on this car. I have been searching for a rack all weekend and now realize why they don't reman them. Thanks again
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 01:19 PM
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Also do I need to replace number 12 bushing in the picture also ?
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 01:32 PM
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#10 is the only bushing you need to replace.

you do not need to replace 12 or 28. that is not what i am talking about.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 01:35 PM
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Thanks man, i realize what you are talking about just making sure I did not need to replace while the rack is out. Thanks again
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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WOW OK HOLD ON... Tyson, I went to the junk yard to get alteast most of the parts including the bushing. but i had trouble 25 appart from the knucke.. Neva got it off. Than I tryd to get 20 21 22 by yankin 25 and I had nooooo budge at all.... Any advise?
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 06:59 PM
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why are you getting the parts from a junkyard???

its a $10 part for the bushing at the dealer. thats it.

you are not going to take anything apart by yanking. please consult a factory service manual if you are trying this yourself for the first time. you can get it online if you search.
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 07:04 PM
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I figured it was pocket size... I didnt kno I could get it at the dealer... I rather do that. I thought i would have to buy the whole set just for that one part... wat exactally should i ask for?
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 07:07 PM
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get a new one.

wow, have you read the thread?

any question is answered there. im out.
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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SoB ***
So i have a question about my rack and pinion... Heres the problem, while braking I have vibration thats not coming from the brakes or wheel bearing but from the rack its self... The pic below shows where its really loose at! I was soundering if theres any advice on replacing this, if i can rebuild it or even just tightn this... Thanks!!!

What years is the car, because I think I have the same problem you have, and I want to put in a new suspension. Any suggestions?
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 07:45 AM
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I have a '93 civic I dropped the rack but it is holding on by the pinion I thought it would just drop out
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 08:33 AM
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loosen it at the ujoint at the bottom of the steering column.
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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I can't see it the boots are in the way I can't seem to move them out of the way to find a u-joint
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 04:00 PM
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Does anyone kno it a eg hatch manuel rack will fit on an ef???
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by @nthony
I can't see it the boots are in the way I can't seem to move them out of the way to find a u-joint
bottom of the STEERING COLUMN.

take the plastic cover off, between the pedals.
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 09:47 PM
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Im not trying to "thread jack" or anything, but Tyson seems to know his ****. Im having this problem also (i.e. steering wheel vibration ALL the time, not just while braking). My wheels and tires are balanced, and Ive borrowed my brothers wheels and tires for a day which are also balanced, and it still shakes. I have DA integra front spindles on the car, which is a 1991 hatch BTW. Would the rack bushing be the place to check first? I haven't even suspected my rack until i read this thread. My buddy has a CRX and he tightened the steering colume (sp?) where it attaches to the rack and he said it took some slop out of the steering and made it more responsive. Do you have any info about that? Because i didnt really know what he was talking about, lol
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 09:59 PM
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Does anyone kno it a eg hatch manuel rack will fit on an ef???
no it wont
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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 10:01 PM
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yes, i think the rack is mostly but not all to blame. you wont know until you check.

read the link.
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