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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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Default CA BAR swaping from ob1 to obd2 motor questions!!!

ok right now i got a 1993 honda civic hatchback with a b16a3 ob1 (del sol doch vtec motor) and want to swap to a ob2 1997 b18c1 motor. will i have to swap everything to obd2 to get this to pass CA BAR or can i just keep it obd1?. if i have to change everything to obd2 what will i need to change up in order the pass this inspection?

***sorry if this is a dumb question. if the b18c1 was to be an obd1 motor then i wouldnt have posted this. HATE CA smog and LAWS!!!
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 09:51 AM
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run 2 O2 sensors (either 1 on the header and 1 on the cat).. make sure all evap are connected... knock sensor.. obd2 distributor..ecu and as long as it passes smog then ur good
FOR sure to run obd2 injectors (EDIT) lol

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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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yes obd2 injectors. visual will look for that.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 10:53 AM
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wait.
last i read is that only "replacement engines" can be BAR'ed.
meaning only b16* in civics and b18*in integras
and you cant do b18* on civic cos civics never had b18's in them
is that right?
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 11:00 AM
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care to explain more...???????? where u see that at, if its a replacement engine it wudnt need to be bared!
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 11:18 AM
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if its a replacement engine it wudnt need to be bared!
Money.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 11:27 AM
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care to explain more...???????? where u see that at, if its a replacement engine it wudnt need to be bared!
thats the word someone used.
im looking for the thread.
maybe replacement as in using another one other than stock.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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word!
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 11:41 AM
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so i would have to convert everything to obd2? just thought that making it obd1 would be a hella of alot easier.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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yeah it would... but if u want obd2 then everything has to be obd2
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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damn seems like alot of work
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 12:49 PM
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I think ur suppose to run an obd2 ecu and hook up crank angle senor.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wannaBjdmca6
wait.
last i read is that only "replacement engines" can be BAR'ed.
meaning only b16* in civics and b18*in integras
and you cant do b18* on civic cos civics never had b18's in them
is that right?

i think this applies to jdm motors. like if your usdm b18 went out. you can replace it with a jdm b18. as for the b16..
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 02:13 PM
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I think ur suppose to run an obd2 ecu and hook up crank angle senor.
yeah that was what i was thinking also. anything else that i would need to do?
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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Hopefully u don't have to change ur gas tank. Cause my boy tried to bar a h22 in his 97 four door civic and they told him he had to change his gas tank because the motor was a 99.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 04:11 PM
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Hopefully u don't have to change ur gas tank. Cause my boy tried to bar a h22 in his 97 four door civic and they told him he had to change his gas tank because the motor was a 99.
damn that would suck! can anyone confirm this!!!!!plsssss
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mynameizstitch
ok right now i got a 1993 honda civic hatchback with a b16a3 ob1 (del sol doch vtec motor) and want to swap to a ob2 1997 b18c1 motor. will i have to swap everything to obd2 to get this to pass CA BAR or can i just keep it obd1?. if i have to change everything to obd2 what will i need to change up in order the pass this inspection?

***sorry if this is a dumb question. if the b18c1 was to be an obd1 motor then i wouldnt have posted this. HATE CA smog and LAWS!!!
leave it obd1 that is what your car run on... your gonna have extra senors tho, like an 2nd o2, evap, and crank senors. which is not needed in the obd1 world.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GS300ToM
care to explain more...???????? where u see that at, if its a replacement engine it wudnt need to be bared!
wrong.. any engine that is not OEM with the car needs to be bar'd
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 05:34 PM
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lots of wrong info in here.. when swaping a motor it has to be the same year or newer then the car. the car is obd1 so you keep your obd1 system swap in the obd2 motor and hook up all the obd1 senors and call it a day... the obd2 senors are not needed your car doesn't pull up an a obd2 car so you don't need to covert it to obd2.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 95 Integra gsr
leave it obd1 that is what your car run on... your gonna have extra senors tho, like an 2nd o2, evap, and crank senors. which is not needed in the obd1 world.
the thing is i want to BAR a obd2 motor into a obd1 car. what exactly will i need to do cuz the ref are hella strict.
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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keep it obd1... its easier and plus more ppl prefer obd1 over obd2 cuz theyre easier to tune... they even have obd2 to obd1 conversion kits... weird huh
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mynameizstitch
the thing is i want to BAR a obd2 motor into a obd1 car. what exactly will i need to do cuz the ref are hella strict.
you will need a obd1 gsr ecu. hook up vtec,vtec pressure switch,knock senors and butterfly valves... keep it obd1.. no need to go to 2..


they make obd2 to obd1 jumpers for apexi power fc... cause they only use obd2 clips
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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keep it OBD1 and BAR it as a 94 or 95 GSR motor with a OBD1 P72-A01 ECU. My friend had a 98 GSR motor that got BAR as a 95 in his EG hatch.

Originally Posted by mynameizstitch
damn that would suck! can anyone confirm this!!!!!plsssss
This is only true if you run an ECU that looks for the Fuel tank sensor which are in the 98 and up GSR ECU. So if you run an OBD1 p72 ECU you'll be fine. Hope this helps....
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ChoNNe
keep it OBD1 and BAR it as a 94 or 95 GSR motor with a OBD1 P72-A01 ECU. My friend had a 98 GSR motor that got BAR as a 95 in his EG hatch.



This is only true if you run an ECU that looks for the Fuel tank sensor which are in the 98 and up GSR ECU. So if you run an OBD1 p72 ECU you'll be fine. Hope this helps....
the thing is if i can keep it obd1 then i would rather do that but dont they checkthe vin# on the motor? if they do then wouldnt it show it being obd2 instead? also where would be some missing sensors also wouldnt it?
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mynameizstitch
the thing is if i can keep it obd1 then i would rather do that but dont they checkthe vin# on the motor? if they do then wouldnt it show it being obd2 instead? also where would be some missing sensors also wouldnt it?
they don't care what year the motor is as long as it newer then your car.. they dont care if its obd2 obd3 or obd1000000000 as long as it running proper in your obd1 car.
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